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post #1 of 13
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I got myself into a bit of trouble on the "im not vaccinating" board, but here is the debate board yay! I am a picu RN who has watched several babies die of pertussis, I am very pro (all) vaccines. I am also pregnant (due in November) and have asked that all people that will be around my baby be vaccinated. My sis in law is pretty angry, as she and her kiddos are not. I'm not budging on the issue. For those of you that do not vaccinate...do you have any people in your live that have refused to see you (especially once they have a baby) what is your reaction and opinion on this?  

post #2 of 13
Nope! We prefer to not be around those who are FULLY vaccinated - we find in the case of small children they tend to be the sickest. Having made frequent trips to germ filled dr offices- those are not ones we want to be around. And we don't socialize with rabid vaccers because they are not those we are friends with. We also DO ask and DO not allow those who have had flu mist in our home either. Our family knows and it's not an issue . We have found those who so afraid of the iun-vaccinated are also very uninformed on what they get vaccinated for- IRL is tends to be the case for us. These same that don't want un-vaccinated around are also the ones that (IRL) take their newborn out to shopping and restraints when they are only weeks old.
post #3 of 13

I do not have anyone in my life who refuses to be around me due to my vaccine stance.

 

I would not be offended if someone wanted me or my kids to stay away from their infant due to worries about the risk of pertussis ( or flu). It is their baby and their call.  I would be offended if someone wanted me to stay away because I was not up to date on all vaccines.  Some diseases are really, really rare - and telling me to stay away when there is virtually no risk would be tatamount to saying "we do not approve of your choice - so stay away."  Their call?  Yes.  Offensive?  Yes.  

 

That being said, I think focusing on vaccine status where pertussis is concerned is foolish.

 

As vaccines go, it is not particularly effective.  It is now thought to only work for 3-5 years.  People who are vaccinated can still catch and still spread pertussis - as the pertussis vaccine does not prevent getting or spreading the disease - it prevents clinical signs of the disease.

 

In some ways I think unvaxxed people are safer with regards to pertustussis and infants.  At least if someone in my family gets pertussis - we will know it (or know it could be pertussis) We will have bad coughs, the youngest might make the classic whoop sound - and we will stay away from everyone, particularly infants.  Someone who had the pertussis vaccine can still get pertussis, not realise it and transmit it unknowingly.  

 

My own take on pertussis prevention is infants should be kept out of very crowded public places and away from anyone who has a cough until the person with the cough is tested for pertussis.  It might make sense for the parents to also limit crowded public spaces and being near people with coughs, as infants often get pertussis from close family members.  


Edited by kathymuggle - 10/17/13 at 5:49am
post #4 of 13

Absolutely not, If they did, so beit, it's their choice, good riddance. I don't think I ever came across rabid, fearful pro-vaxers when my unvaccinated kids were babies (they are now completely healthy unvaxed teens), my family certainly didn't care, and most of the mothers I associated with, generally educated non or selected/delayed vaxers, were very well informed on the vax issue and the diseases, so weren't fearful of the unvaxed. Basically, I like to surround myself with open-minded, people that are accepting of others belief's and choices if different from their own.

post #5 of 13

No, nobody in our family asks us to avoid anybody. However, we (the whole family, including those who still vaccinate) are careful to wash hands before handling food and/or babies, and we pretty much limit close contact between children and infants, not because of vaccine-preventable disease, but because of colds and intestinal viruses.

 

It's probably because they all saw the severe reactions to vaccines suffered by our children, and other children as well in the distant (not related to me or my husband by blood) family.  For example, my nephew's cousin has profound autism, and also had a severe reaction to his MMR.

 

kellyRN, are you aware that the pertussis vaccine does not prevent the spread of pertussis?  It prevents symptoms--but one can be vaccinated and still spread it to your newborn.  In addition, pertussis has mutated enough so that the vaccine is no longer nearly as effective as it was.

post #6 of 13
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Originally Posted by kellyRN View Post
 

I got myself into a bit of trouble on the "im not vaccinating" board, but here is the debate board yay! I am a picu RN who has watched several babies die of pertussis, I am very pro (all) vaccines. I am also pregnant (due in November) and have asked that all people that will be around my baby be vaccinated. My sis in law is pretty angry, as she and her kiddos are not. I'm not budging on the issue. For those of you that do not vaccinate...do you have any people in your live that have refused to see you (especially once they have a baby) what is your reaction and opinion on this?  

I'm wondering where you live and work, that you have watched "several babies die of pertussis."  

 

According to the CDC, last year, there were 18 pertussis-related deaths in the entire United States. I can't find any evidence that any one hospital, or even city, had more than one infant die of pertussis.

post #7 of 13

For what it is worth I would be just as scared about the people who are vaccinated when it comes to pertussis. We gave it to 3 of the grandparents who has all had the vaccination in the past two years. My incredibly pro-vax ped says that in her circles they basically don't think it is working anymore but she recommends still vaccinating for it and hoping it lessens the severity.

 

My sister-in-law and niece had it all summer even though they were up to date on the vaccinations.

 

I would not let anyone come over with a cough no matter what their vaccination status and keep the baby at home as much as possible.

post #8 of 13
Yea, we get this vaccine on a wing and a prayer of it lessening the severity. But if there's an outbreak, my vaccinated kids are coming out of school. There's no way that I trust this vaccine to keep them from catching or transmitting pertussis.
post #9 of 13
To answer the OP's question, the only person I know IRL who has asked this is a woman I just met. We connected through an acquaintance because we have similar age kids and were both expecting new babies. She invited me to get together via email but specified without asking our status that she only wanted to have play dates with fully vaccinated families. I just responded in a friendly way to the other content of her email, ignoring the invite and the vax issue. If I'd already established a friendship with this person I might have felt differently, but I found the topic wildly inappropriate and indicative of fear based closed- mindedness, and I lost any interest in pursuing a friendship with the woman.
post #10 of 13
Where I live, there are many unvaccinated children and adults. At my son's school, I'm pretty sure the majority of the kids are either unvaxed or delayed/selective. No one has EVER asked my son's status or mine. I have friends that fully vax that don't care that we don't. Most people IRL are reasonable enough not to be paranoid of such things.

I live in this amazing part of the country called The Northwest and I LOVE IT!!!
post #11 of 13
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Originally Posted by dalia View Post

Where I live, there are many unvaccinated children and adults. At my son's school, I'm pretty sure the majority of the kids are either unvaxed or delayed/selective. No one has EVER asked my son's status or mine. I have friends that fully vax that don't care that we don't. Most people IRL are reasonable enough not to be paranoid of such things.

I live in this amazing part of the country called The Northwest and I LOVE IT!!!
I live in the PNW too, and I don't talk to many people about vaccines but the place where I live has actually gained some notoriety for how many vaccine abstainers live here. I am really dismayed that a private medical issue like this has been successfully framed by marketing forces as everybody's business, so much so that near strangers feel comfortable bringing it up.
post #12 of 13

I actually replied to your identical post in the "Vaccinating on Schedule" forum.

post #13 of 13

If someone doesn't want our family around, that is their choice and I will respect it, but it has never come up. But as others said, we don't want anyone in our home who has been recently vaccinated with live vaccines or has "just a little cough", so hopefully you will respect others and show them the same courtesies.

 

Also, the pertussis vaxx is, as others have pointed out, not all that effective and can mask the disease. We have a member here whose newborn contracted it from a nicu nurse who was vaccinated. Hopefully you are not only concerned with non-vaxxing family members. Personally when my last one was a newborn I chose to stay at home most of the time, only going out when necessary and not into places that were crowded. If we had not needed to see the doctor for some specific issues I probably would have skipped those visits too as we always seem to come home with something from there.

 

I am also really curious about where you work.

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