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post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 

i work during the day for a restaurant group AND my husband and i own and operate our own restaurant at night, so i am around people all of the time. usually i'm very anti-vaccine (partially because it was the way i was raised and partially because needles freak me out), but i can't find anything online that says the flu vaccine i actually all that bad for you? obviously my whole family is very anti, but i'm looking for some sort of actual study that shows it's not good for you (or at least doesn't work that well), especially for pregnant women in their first trimester?

post #2 of 20

You need to make sure you get the one without the mercury which they should give you when pregnant. These are not as easy to get a hold of and you should talk to your doctor about it.

 

I personally am not getting a flu shot and do not plan to ever again. Many people do get sick after receiving the flu shot (especially those with a lowered immune system already). A small percentage have severe reactions (including death). Not only that but they are not that effective. They guess what versions of the flu will be flying around this season 6 months ahead of time. Even if they are correct in that, they are still NOT 100% effective (not sure of exact effective rate but I remember it being remarkably low). I'd rather battle the flu by eating a healthy diet all year and taking care of myself if I do contract it. I haven't been sick in a long time (except when I got strep from my little sister that visited and we shared a straw..hmm that sucked). You can look at the package insert for the flu vaccine to see many of the risks..

 

Personally out of all the vaccines they have I find this one to be the most useless and also one of the more dangerous (since it contains mercury) ones. 

 

http://chriskresser.com/the-truth-about-flu-shots-and-what-to-do-instead

 

“We have conducted four reviews since the late 1990s.  We calculated that you need to vaccinate between 33 and 99 people to prevent a single case of flu, depending on the match between the vaccine and the circulating strains of the virus.  I want people held accountable for wasting taxpayers’ money on these vaccines.  The reviews have been available for years and nothing has been done.”

 

Cochrane review actually found that “There’s no evidence that flu vaccines affect complications, such as pneumonia, or transmission” in healthy adults, so that kind of eliminates that argument.

 

Now, one of the problems with flu vaccination is that it tends to not work very well if the strains of flu in the vaccine don’t match the strains of flu in the environment, but even when the match is perfect, 1% of flu-vaccinated individuals end up with an infection, compared to 4% of unvaccinated individuals, but that’s very rare actually to have a perfect match between the strains of the flu and the vaccine because viruses adapt and evolve very quickly, and it’s hard for vaccine producers to keep up.  So, when there’s only a partial match of the vaccine with infecting strains, which is usually the state of affairs, the figures are even worse.  One percent of vaccinated individuals end up with an infection versus 2% of unvaccinated individuals, so in other words, the true reduction in flu risk in the population in the vast majority of cases in healthy adults is a mere 1%.

post #3 of 20

I've also learned that the flumist nasal vaccine is carried around and shed by the person for up to 3 weeks after receiving it!  So, dare I say, vaccinated people are the ones spreading it.  

 

My landlord told me she had her flu shot today and I tried to keep far far away from her.  

post #4 of 20
I am not getting the flu shot. I never have gotten one. Just from observation of family and friends that get them every year, they always seem to get a lot more colds and flus than I do. I feel like I have a good immune system personally and usually only get sick a couple times a year. My husband seems to get sick every 3 weeks.... he got the flu shot. I try to convinse him to try not getting it one year, to prove to him he won't get sick so much, but he would rather believe studies done by scientists and doctors paid by drug companies;)
post #5 of 20
I've gotten one every year for about 7 years now. I got mine. And the nurse said it's fine.
post #6 of 20

Wow. I just logged on to Mothering.com to vent about the flu shot. 

 

I have never gotten one, but last year I got the flu twice in one month--2 different strains. I missed almost 2 weeks of work, which is really not okay at my job. I vowed to take the flu shot this year with the rest of my office. Last week, my husband forwarded me the below information about the dangers of the flu vac for pregnant women. My entire office just had their vaccines done in our building's clinic. My boss all but demanded we all get one as a job requirement. I DON'T want one, but I also don't want to tell them I am pregnant yet as my excuse. I just told my boss, "I will get one later." I don't want to lie, but there is no way I will be bullied into it even by my boss...

 

http://vactruth.com/2013/02/01/8-damn-good-reasons/

 
REASON #2: 4250% INCREASE IN FETAL DEATHS REPORTED
Speaking of mercury being unsafe — if you’re pregnant, beware of doctors using aggressive fear tactics pushing you to get vaccinated. Here’s why…
 
On September 27, 2012, the Human and Environmental Toxicology Journal (HET) published a study by Dr. Gary Goldman reporting a 4,250 percent increase in the number of miscarriages and stillbirths reported to VAERS in the 2009/2010 flu season. [4]
 
That year the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) had recommended the double-dosing pregnant mothers with two flu shots spiked with mercury.
 
In his abstract, Goldman said:
 
“The aim of this study was to compare the number of inactivated-influenza vaccine–related spontaneous abortion and stillbirth (SB) reports in the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database during three consecutive flu seasons beginning 2008/2009 and assess the relative fetal death reports associated with the two-vaccine 2009/2010 season.” [4]
 
How can injecting these filthy vaccines into pregnant mothers be remotely safe?
 
 
 
 
 
post #7 of 20

We won't be getting them in our house. We all got the flu last year, but for some reasons the shots are still more scary.

post #8 of 20

The homeopathic remedy Influenzinum works great at keeping the flu at bay and is safe during pregnancy.

post #9 of 20

I got mine prior to finding out I was pregnant, so done is done. :)

 

During my last pregnancy, my midwives offered me the preservative free version, which I was glad to have. In my line of work, I prefer to be vaccinated.

post #10 of 20

Nobody in my family has ever had a flu shot and nobody has ever had the flu. I trust in good food and good health (especially gut health) to keep us free of nasty bugs. I don't trust Big Pharma AT ALL.

 

In 2010, when I was 6 months pregnant with my last baby, we ALL came down with whooping cough. We tried all kinds of remedies and in the end what actually helped (and helped a lot!) was large doses of vitamin c. I always keep a good supply of food sourced vitamin c in the house. Right now I have a few bags of Navitas Camu Powder but I've used acerola in the past with excellent results. As soon as we feel something coming on or we've been exposed to something I'd like to avoid, we ramp up our dosages. We also eat a ton of fermented veggies and I think that really boosts our immune systems.

post #11 of 20
I used to get the flu shot and the flu every year. It's been 10 years now flu and shot free.

I have rose hips for vitamin c and elderberries and echinacea for immune boosters if we need it too.
post #12 of 20
Thread Starter 
thanks, everyone. I ended telling my boss a little white lie that I had already gotten one at my doctor's office. he backed off.
post #13 of 20

My family does the homeopathic flu nozode every year and coupled with a good diet has proved to be successful for us.  I don't trust vaccines of any sort, especially during pregnancy! So, this has been a good alternative for us :)

post #14 of 20

I came across this post today, and thought it was interesting. http://www.peggyomara.com/2013/10/31/pregnancy-and-flu-vaccine/

post #15 of 20

I still don't know whether to get it or not! I usually do get the flu, one year I had it 3 times which was really bad! Then I started taking extra vitamins etc to prevent it and that seemed to help last year along with a healthier diet (sort of at least!) but now I'm pregnant I have stopped all supplements apart from the B6/prenatal and I am eating whatever I fancy and whatever makes me feel less nauseous at the time. Due to that I'm more worried I will get the flu this winter. 

 

I have two questions, is flu really harmful for the baby if I get it? And also is there a 'better' time in the pregnancy to get the shot, first trimester or second for example?

post #16 of 20
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I still don't know whether to get it or not! I usually do get the flu, one year I had it 3 times which was really bad! Then I started taking extra vitamins etc to prevent it and that seemed to help last year along with a healthier diet (sort of at least!) but now I'm pregnant I have stopped all supplements apart from the B6/prenatal and I am eating whatever I fancy and whatever makes me feel less nauseous at the time. Due to that I'm more worried I will get the flu this winter. 

 

I have two questions, is flu really harmful for the baby if I get it? And also is there a 'better' time in the pregnancy to get the shot, first trimester or second for example?

Here's the info from the CDC on flu vaccines in pregnancy: http://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/vaccine/pregnant.htm

post #17 of 20
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Originally Posted by snowydays View Post
 

I still don't know whether to get it or not! I usually do get the flu, one year I had it 3 times which was really bad! Then I started taking extra vitamins etc to prevent it and that seemed to help last year along with a healthier diet (sort of at least!) but now I'm pregnant I have stopped all supplements apart from the B6/prenatal and I am eating whatever I fancy and whatever makes me feel less nauseous at the time. Due to that I'm more worried I will get the flu this winter. 

 

I have two questions, is flu really harmful for the baby if I get it? And also is there a 'better' time in the pregnancy to get the shot, first trimester or second for example?

If you get the flu it is very unlikely there will be long term harm to you or your baby. Now in terms of the vaccine, it appears from what I've seen that it is not very effective in pregnancy (see link in this thread, even in general population it only lowers your risk from 2% to 1% in years when it is most effective) and there hasn't been any long term studies on pregnant woman for me to feel confident that it is safe during pregnancy.

 

Now I don't personally have a lot of trust in the CDC since it has been run by someone who used to work for the major vaccine company and has since gone back to that company.... lots of conflict of interest just like the FDA... you may not share these concerns.

 

If you decide to get it make sure to get the one without the preservative (thermisol/mercury). That would definitely be less risky. It's usually only available to those that are pregnant, so you have to ask. 

 

At the end of the day everyone has to do what they are most comfortable with. 

 

Here's to a healthy pregnancy!

:thumb 

post #18 of 20

Thank you for the info, I'll probably not have it because I'm so unsure.

post #19 of 20

I got the flu one year and it was pretty awful. Since then I've gotten shots. I'm glad I got mine in early Sept because it would have been a more complicated decision now. I did get the shot instead of the nasal spray because the spray was not recommended for women who might get pregnant.

post #20 of 20

I'm not joining the do / don't debate, but as an FYI for those who do:

 

This year's flu shot covers a few different strains of flu, which is a bump up from some prior years when it only covered one. I really can't afford to be knocked out with the flu right now, so I got a flu shot.

 

If you're in the US, Target carries the mercury free shot, as well as an egg free one I believe. 

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