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Hubris Can Backfire!

post #1 of 10
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This is an excellent takedown of an article that may be appearing on your newsfeeds. It is a ProVax critique of a ProVax piece, but it illustrates the difference between responsible science journalism & lazy propaganda IMO.

http://www.redwineandapplesauce.com/2013/11/13/oversimplification-and-hubris-can-backfire-for-once-it-wasnt-actually-jenny-mccarthys-fault/
post #2 of 10

I love how the author claims the reason the whole-cell DTP was replaced by DTaP in 1997 was only because DTP caused frightening, but harmless "febrile" seizures.

 

I guess that's also why pharmaceutical companies were given complete liability protection for vaccines in 1986, because the industry was threatened by the prospect of thousands of multi-million dollar court judgements for harmless febrile seizures?

post #3 of 10

Thanks for the link. I really like that blogger and I had already read the article she was talking about and wasn't impressed with it either. The CDC and others have made it pretty clear that the main reason there is an increase in pertussis is because of waning immunity from the new vaccine etc.  However, she states in that link and in other parts of her blog that there is no doubt that unvaccinated or undervaccinated kids are also contributing to the outbreaks. They just aren't the sole cause. 

 

@ma2two there have been studies done on kids who had febrile seizures and they are harmless.  Even Paul Offit said he watched his daughter have a grand mal seizure as a reaction to the DTaP (YES, he said it was from the vaccine) and that while it was scary to watch, they really are nothing to be worried about. 

post #4 of 10
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I didn't know that about PO & I just finished (Yay!) his course. Interesting.
post #5 of 10
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I mostly posted it because I had some of the same thoughts when I read the original piece. At this point I think we are all dog tired of articles on both sides that skimp on facts to simplify an inherently complex issue.
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Originally Posted by dinahx View Post

I didn't know that about PO & I just finished (Yay!) his course. Interesting.

 

Yeah, his interviews are really interesting to watch/read too.  He also told a story about his wife vaccinating this 2 month old baby and while she was getting the vaccine ready the infant had a major seizure right there on the exam table and was later diagnosed with a severe form of epilepsy.  His wife had not even given the baby the vaccine yet and he made the point that had his wife administered the vaccine 5 minutes earlier, no amount of data or statistics in the world would have convinced that mother that the vaccine didn't cause it.  He's probably right and it's a pretty interesting story. 

post #7 of 10
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@ma2two there have been studies done on kids who had febrile seizures and they are harmless.  Even Paul Offit said he watched his daughter have a grand mal seizure as a reaction to the DTaP (YES, he said it was from the vaccine) and that while it was scary to watch, they really are nothing to be worried about. 

 

Yes, teacozy, I know that febrile seizures are harmless. Notice that I used quotation marks for the word febrile, and not the word harmless.

post #8 of 10
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What I like about PO vs. others who I consider to be attempting to ride the ProVax train to fame & fortune is that his POV has context, history, nuance, depth, a sense of contradiction, etc.

Whereas some others (Seth McNookin comes to mind) try to flatten the issue to rally the troops . . .
post #9 of 10

Thanks for posting that dinahx. Good to see some honesty in articles about vaccination. 

 

It's as helpful to lump all "provax" into one camp as it is all "antivax". 

post #10 of 10
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Differing views are what is healthy about this debate. Stepping on facts to make a point is unhealthy.

I am almost as annoyed @ the Tdap & pregnancy articles going around this week that state 'there is no research'. Um, it is somewhat underpowered research, but it is certainly there, I've been looking @ it all month. When someone says there is 'no research' on something, the best thing to do is check, because chances are, there is some.
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