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post #101 of 110
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Originally Posted by Katie8681 View Post



Diseases spread by animal vectors and fecal/oral route are simple to control/eliminate with limited vaccination and modern stable infrastructure. If the US infrastructure collapsed, we'd have cholera and typhoid back in a heartbeat.

Like rotavirus?  It is fecal-oral.

 

Mosquito born illness can be very difficult to prevent.  Think West Nile, or in more tropical areas, things like Dengue fever.  Getting rid of mosquitoes in an area is not easy at all.  

post #102 of 110
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Originally Posted by ModerateMom View Post
 

 

I'm aware of my reply.  You asked how herd immunity was working with the pertussis vaccine, and I acknowledged that it's difficult to accomplish herd immunity though that vaccine.  How is that not answering the question? NO, You asks me, you did not state your answer - these are your wordsDo you think that because herd immunity difficult to accomplish for Pertussis that it means that herd immunity hasn't been successful with other vaccines? That sentence is a question - you asked ME and end it with a ?

Herd immunity isn't working yet you have been say this whole thread it does.

Also, your chart illustrates how yellow fever is actually not transmitted human to human, and the text you copied, pasted, (and bolded!) says it outright...it's transmitted via mosquitoes. 

post #103 of 110
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Originally Posted by Chknlovr View Post
 

Thank you, Katie.  Beat me to it.

 

I'm not sure how Serenbat can put up that whole diagram, look at it, and still think that yellow fever is transmitted human to human.

 

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Originally Posted by Katie8681 View Post

On yellow fever. It can be spread from human to human VIA MOSQUITOES. During that intermediate stage it can also spread from nonhuman primate to human primate VIA MOSQUITOES. At no point can it spread directly from human to human. It was eliminated from the US by controlling the mosquito that spreads it. End of story.

Diseases spread by animal vectors and fecal/oral route are simple to control/eliminate with limited vaccination and modern stable infrastructure. If the US infrastructure collapsed, we'd have cholera and typhoid back in a heartbeat.

may this will help you with yellow fever - http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs100/en/

  • Urban yellow fever: Large epidemics occur when infected people introduce the virus into densely populated areas with a high number of non-immune people and Aedes mosquitoes. Infected mosquitoes transmit the virus from person to person.

http://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/timelines/yellow-fever

Urban yellow fever occurs when the Aedes aegyptispecies of domestic mosquito transmits the virus between humans, without transmission via other primates.

 

 

 

 

ETA- Let me try and put this in again - it is not pasting for some reason - 

 

 

 

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs100/en/

  1. Urban yellow fever: Large epidemics occur when infected people introduce the virus into densely populated areas with a high number of non-immune people and Aedes mosquitoes. Infected mosquitoes transmit the virus from person to person.

 

http://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/timelines/yellow-fever

Urban yellow fever occurs when the Aedes aegyptispecies of domestic mosquito transmits the virus between humans, without transmission via other primates.

post #104 of 110
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Originally Posted by kathymuggle View Post
 

Like rotavirus?  It is fecal-oral.

 

Mosquito born illness can be very difficult to prevent.  Think West Nile, or in more tropical areas, things like Dengue fever.  Getting rid of mosquitoes in an area is not easy at all.  

 

and Lyme, that vaccine "failed" because not enough would agree to have it  

post #105 of 110
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Originally Posted by ModerateMom View Post
 

 

I'm aware of my reply.  You asked how herd immunity was working with the pertussis vaccine, and I acknowledged that it's difficult to accomplish herd immunity though that vaccine.  How is that not answering the question? NO, You asks me, you did not state your answer - these are your wordsDo you think that because herd immunity difficult to accomplish for Pertussis that it means that herd immunity hasn't been successful with other vaccines? That sentence is a question - you asked ME and end it with a ?

Herd immunity isn't working yet you have been say this whole thread it does.


 

 

I'm sorry, but you are making a ridiculous point about how I worded my question.  I stated my agreement that herd immunity is difficult to achieve using the current vaccine, and asked if you realize that this isn't therefore true about ALL vaccines, and you are nitpicking that I didn't use two separate sentences...a statement AND a question...to express those two points.   What victory you think you are scoring from that eludes me completely.

 

Your statement:  "Herd immunity isn't working" is simply wrong.  It works well with some diseases and immunizations, and your example of pertussis does not refute that. 

post #106 of 110
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Originally Posted by kathymuggle View Post
 

Like rotavirus?  It is fecal-oral.

 

 

Yes, but rotavirus is much more easily transmitted than typhoid.  Rotavirus can spread through toys, door knobs, changing tables, high chars etc.  Typhoid is spread through ingesting food or water contaminated by a person shedding Salmonella Typhi.  It's not generally transmitted by touching a door knob that someone with typhoid touches and then getting it like you can with rotavirus. 

post #107 of 110
You need a much larger number of cholera bacteria to transmit the illness than of rotavirus. They are transmitted by the fecal-oral route but they have a lot of differences, too. (Wow, it's like microbiology is complicated or something!)
post #108 of 110
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Originally Posted by serenbat View Post
 

 

may this will help you with yellow fever - http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs100/en/

  • Urban yellow fever: Large epidemics occur when infected people introduce the virus into densely populated areas with a high number of non-immune people and Aedes mosquitoes. Infected mosquitoes transmit the virus from person to person.

http://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/timelines/yellow-fever

Urban yellow fever occurs when the Aedes aegyptispecies of domestic mosquito transmits the virus between humans, without transmission via other primates.

 

 

 

 

ETA- Let me try and put this in again - it is not pasting for some reason - 

 

 

 

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs100/en/

  1. Urban yellow fever: Large epidemics occur when infected people introduce the virus into densely populated areas with a high number of non-immune people and Aedes mosquitoes. Infected mosquitoes transmit the virus from person to person.

 

http://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/timelines/yellow-fever

Urban yellow fever occurs when the Aedes aegyptispecies of domestic mosquito transmits the virus between humans, without transmission via other primates.

Well, thanks for making it EXTRA clear that yellow fever is not transmitted from human to human.

post #109 of 110
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Originally Posted by Katie8681 View Post

You need a much larger number of cholera bacteria to transmit the illness than of rotavirus. They are transmitted by the fecal-oral route but they have a lot of differences, too. (Wow, it's like microbiology is complicated or something!)

Snort.

 

You made a broad sweeping statement (quote below) and I disproved it.  Guess you don't like that.  

 

"Diseases spread by animal vectors and fecal/oral route are simple to control/eliminate with limited vaccination and modern stable infrastructure" 

post #110 of 110
Actually, kathymuggle, I was poking at myself a little.
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