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post #121 of 403

Hmm. That article says that the company was supposed to follow up with shot recipients for 15 years. That data should have started coming in about 3 years ago. When I feel a little more researchy than I do now, I'll see if it surfaced somewhere. 

post #122 of 403
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Originally Posted by cwill View Post

But initial development doesn't mean it was being given.  All I can find evidence of is use in experimental trials prior to approval in 1995.  Not saying it wasn't used, I'd just like to see something more concrete.


FTR, this is what I know, here's a quote and a link....There's a vaccine to protect anyone who has not already had
chickenpox. In the early 1970s, a vaccine developed in Japan. More than two
million doses of this vaccine have been given in Japan and Korea. Since the
early 1970's,a similar vaccine has been tested in the United States in over
9,400 healthy children and 1,600 adults
.....


http://www.fayettecountyhealthdepartment.org/chickenpox.html

My cousin was very sick and being treated with many experiential remedies and in a number of clinical trial testings for Cystic Fibrosis. Perhaps he was in this study, or something similar, although he was not a "healthy child." He's dead now, so I don't know for sure where he got the shot, and I'm NOT going to ask his still grieving mother just to some show some trolls up. (I have some human decency and realize that people have feelings.....) I was a KID when it happened and I don't know many of the specifics, I do know when my aunt (a nurse) said he had been given a Chicken Pox vaccine way back when no one in the room had ever heard of it before., I was a kid and don't remember most of the details, if they were even given.

For some reason some of you have some need to try to get me to PROVE my cousin had a Pox vaccine? Why? Is someone gonna cross post my answer somewhere else? lol.gif I can't imagine where. eyesroll.gif

Why so concerned? Do you really care about how my cousin suffered and struggled while his lungs and GI system gave out, or do you just want to get the digs in and try to show me up for kicks? Jeez. He was a human being. He had family and people who loved him. Do you care about any of that, or do you just want to..... never mind.

Sheesh. I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, and I KNOW where they are coming from, but for heaven's sake. Sad that a few people are so obsessed with the details of everything I say. It's almost flattering, if I didn't know about the agenda behind it.

Have a nice Christmas, cwill Y;know Peace on Earth and Good Will and all that.

There's a human being on THIS side of the computer, too. You might want to consider that. greensad.gif
Edited by MaggieLC - 12/23/13 at 10:20pm
post #123 of 403

That's a pretty over-the-top response to a fairly benign post on cwill's part. She is not disputing that your cousin received the vaccine--and given his health issues, it sounds like he was probably in the target group for an experimental version, which could explain how he got it. That doesn't mean that someone who is expressing interest in learning more about the history of the vaccine is trolling you. Nobody is expecting you to produce your cousin's shot records. 

post #124 of 403
Um, yeah. I just like to know stuff. I'm sorry people are talking about you Maggie. And I'm sorry my interest in early versions of the vaccine led to me being insensitive to your situation.
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That's a pretty over-the-top response to a fairly benign post on cwill's part. She is not disputing that your cousin received the vaccine--and given his health issues, it sounds like he was probably in the target group for an experimental version, which could explain how he got it. That doesn't mean that someone who is expressing interest in learning more about the history of the vaccine is trolling you. Nobody is expecting you to produce your cousin's shot records. 

 

nm.  I was mistaken. Apologies to cwill.

:Hug

 

 


Edited by MaggieLC - 12/24/13 at 6:44am
post #126 of 403

She was responding to Turquesa's post of an article about the vaccine saying it didn't look like that particular vaccine was being given routinely. I read that as speculation as to whether she had missed some information about this vaccine, or as to whether there was perhaps a different CP vaccine floating around, or if there was yet another explanation. She specifically said she wasn't denying the shot had been given. Her post really wasn't about you at all, Maggie. 

post #127 of 403
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Originally Posted by MaggieLC View Post

FTR, this is what I know, here's a quote and a link....There's a vaccine to protect anyone who has not already had
chickenpox. In the early 1970s, a vaccine developed in Japan. More than two
million doses of this vaccine have been given in Japan and Korea. Since the
early 1970's,a similar vaccine has been tested in the United States in over
9,400 healthy children and 1,600 adults
.....


http://www.fayettecountyhealthdepartment.org/chickenpox.html

My cousin was very sick and being treated with many experiential remedies and in a number of clinical trial testings for Cystic Fibrosis. Perhaps he was in this study, or something similar, although he was not a "healthy child." He's dead now, so I don't know for sure where he got the shot, and I'm NOT going to ask his still grieving mother just to some show some trolls up. (I have some human decency and realize that people have feelings.....) I was a KID when it happened and I don't know many of the specifics, I do know when my aunt (a nurse) said he had been given a Chicken Pox vaccine way back when no one in the room had ever heard of it before., I was a kid and don't remember most of the details, if they were even given.

For some reason some of you have some need to try to get me to PROVE my cousin had a Pox vaccine? Why? Is someone gonna cross post my answer somewhere else? lol.gif I can't imagine where. eyesroll.gif

Why so concerned? Do you really care about how my cousin suffered and struggled while his lungs and GI system gave out, or do you just want to get the digs in and try to show me up for kicks? Jeez. He was a human being. He had family and people who loved him. Do you care about any of that, or do you just want to..... never mind.

Sheesh. I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, and I KNOW where they are coming from, but for heaven's sake. Sad that a few people are so obsessed with the details of everything I say. It's almost flattering, if I didn't know about the agenda behind it.

Have a nice Christmas, cwill Y;know Peace on Earth and Good Will and all that.

There's a human being on THIS side of the computer, too. You might want to consider that. greensad.gif

Yikes! You do realize that everyone that disagrees with you here at MDC isn't just a nasty old troll, right? In fact Cwill has been a member here longer than you have been around.
Maybe the debate forum isn't a healthy place for you to visit Maggie, you seem to get quite upset when someone questions you on something.
post #128 of 403
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Yikes! You do realize that everyone that disagrees with you here at MDC isn't just a nasty old troll, right? In fact Cwill has been a member here longer than you have been around.
Maybe the debate forum isn't a healthy place for you to visit Maggie, you seem to get quite upset when someone questions you on something.

Her posts here have been quoted and mocked on another site, with at least one poster on that site implying that they post here as well. I think that might explain any extra sensitivity you might be noticing.
post #129 of 403
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Um, yeah. I just like to know stuff. I'm sorry people are talking about you Maggie. And I'm sorry my interest in early versions of the vaccine led to me being insensitive to your situation.


Thank you. I accept your apology and I'm sorry if my response was a little snippy. That wasn't necessary and it was somewhat unkind of me. I'm sorry, too. :Hug

 

I'm sorry I misinterpreted your intent. With what has been going on, y'know. I kinda don't know who to trust.

 

Thank you, cwill. It was very kind of you.

post #130 of 403
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Her posts here have been quoted and mocked on another site, with at least one poster on that site implying that they post here as well. I think that might explain any extra sensitivity you might be noticing.


Yep. Some here know what has been going on somewhere else, some don't. Those who don't won't understand my sensitivity. (And it's been bleeding onto MDC. IMO a good "no cross talk" rule would be in order.... but I doubt those involved would care or comply.)

 

Thank you, Taximom5. :heartbeat

post #131 of 403
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Originally Posted by cwill View Post

Um, yeah. I just like to know stuff. I'm sorry people are talking about you Maggie. And I'm sorry my interest in early versions of the vaccine led to me being insensitive to your situation.


I thought this horoscope was funny and oddly apropo. It was mine and I didn't read it yesterday, maybe I should have. :o

 

Doing what you are told could end up taking more time today than you expect. It's not likely that anyone is trying to create more stress, yet you might jump to a conclusion now and misunderstand what was said. Your desire to respond immediately may cause you to twist what you hear to support your assumptions. If you are uncertain about someone's message, ask for clarification before you land yourself in trouble. Fools rush in where angels fear to tread.

 

I don't usually believe horoscopes, but this one.... wow. ;)

post #132 of 403
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Thank you. I accept your apology and I'm sorry if my response was a little snippy. That wasn't necessary and it was somewhat unkind of me. I'm sorry, too. hug2.gif

I'm sorry I misinterpreted your intent. With what has been going on, y'know. I kinda don't know who to trust.

Thank you, cwill. It was very kind of you.

I'm taking an MDC break for the holidays, but wanted to check in here real quick.

I would be freaked out if my posts were being copied and talked about somewhere else, so it's totally understandable. Warranted or not, I think we all post here with a sense of safety. That even in the vaccine forums, where things get heated, we're still among friends. It's upsetting to think that someone might be watching every post a member here makes - and not just on the vaccine boards. So, like I said, I'm really sorry you are having to deal with that. It sucks.

I also know my posts are almost always short or terse, which probably makes them sound less friendly than they should. I actually have a tendency to ramble so I take my posts to the other extreme to try to avoid confusion. Doesn't always work!

Anyway, Merry Christmas to all who do and do not and selectively or slowly vaccinate!
post #133 of 403
Blessings to you and your family. I made a new friend today, borne of misunderstanding and then enlightenment forgiveness and peace.

Thank you for your kind post.
post #134 of 403
A Christmas miracle! Non-vaxxers and vaxxers CAN make friends. I love it. Take that, you grumpy old troll!!!

I hope everyone has a great holiday. :-)
post #135 of 403

:love

post #136 of 403
The big deal with vaccinating is its poisoning someone with a bunch of diseased toxic pus and chemicals, which weaken and damage the immune system and body.
post #137 of 403
Thread Starter 
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The big deal with vaccinating is its poisoning someone with a bunch of diseased toxic pus and chemicals, which weaken and damage the immune system and body.

Evidence please? On average children with vaccinations are less likely to get vaccine-prevented diseases when they are exposed to them.
post #138 of 403
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Evidence please? On average children with vaccinations are less likely to get vaccine-prevented diseases when they are exposed to them.

 

Evidence that vaccines are diseased toxic chemical pus? Just read the ingredients.

post #139 of 403
Thread Starter 
1). Evidence that they are poisoning people, on average
2) Evidence that it weakens and damages the immune system, on average

I realize some kids are too weak to handle vaccines.
post #140 of 403
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Originally Posted by naimah View Post

1). Evidence that they are poisoning people, on average
2) Evidence that it weakens and damages the immune system, on average

I realize some kids are too weak to handle vaccines.

 

Look up the ingredients in vaccines. They are poison. The poison flows throughout the body and lodges anywhere it wants. Slow poison (if lucky). The not so lucky ones get very obvious vaccine damage right away or die right away from the vaccine poison induced damage/death. The luckier ones get the slow poisoning damage where it develops into an auto immune disease, cancer, etc., maybe showing up as an older child, teen, young adult, or older adult. Where is the evidence that this slow poison "won't" cause that? There is none. Its true Russian Roulette.

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