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post #21 of 49
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Originally Posted by junipermoon View Post


Thing is, this is complicated. There are so many types of "welfare." Corporate included. Who are we to say because you qualify for benefits there is a moral imperative to go without treats? How unfairly stigmatizing. Seems holier than thou.


Not holier than thou.  Just reality. 

post #22 of 49

I think you would feel better if you waited.

post #23 of 49
I think it comes down to financial responsibility, which is not to say that those who qualify for assistance don't deserve to have nice things now and then. However, if one is planning to spend, say, $200 on a tattoo, couldn't that money be put towards an indulgence that has overall benefit, like good quality clothing & shoes?
post #24 of 49

The question here is: Would you have been able to save as much has you NOT been on food stamps? I think people here are pissed because it seems that your savings may have only come about through receiving assistance; and it's unfair to have luxuries when people working full time (who don't receive assistance/food stamps because they are $1000 over the cut off) can't afford a luxury like that

 

For what it's worth, I am on welfare payments and hardly ever spend money on myself either. All of my clothes and shoes are hand me downs - I bought one item for myself in early 2013 (when DH was still employed) and that's because nothing else fit me anymore! I see welfare as a privilege and it's sole purpose is to keep you off the streets with a full belly. The money should be used wisely.

post #25 of 49
Op do whatever you want.

Meanwhile she has done what she wanted and is rockin a super awesome half sleeve and feeling 0 guilt about it.

Ha ha!
post #26 of 49
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Originally Posted by swede View Post
 

I think it would make more sense to wait until you are off food stamps.  Maybe as a celebration once you are back on your feet.  Would you be able to afford it if you weren't getting food stamps?  If the answer is no, then I would pass.  Buying steaks on food stamps is still food - not a good comparison, IMO.  A tattoo is a luxury. 

 

I agree. Everyone (from food stamp recipients to the wealthy) has the right to access decent, healthy, clean food and the two (steaks and tattoos) cant be compared. Healthy food is a necessity, tats aren't. 

post #27 of 49
I have some friends who have gotten tattoos for loved ones that have passed. It seemed a helpful thing in the grieving process. Not a necessity but not trivial either.
post #28 of 49
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Originally Posted by FarmerMomma View Post

I have some friends who have gotten tattoos for loved ones that have passed. It seemed a helpful thing in the grieving process. Not a necessity but not trivial either.

 

I do too - I'm definitely not immune to the concept of tats in memoriam. I come from a family of tat happy people and most were done because of it having "special meaning".. so I understand that it's not entirely trivial. But they didn't get them while receiving assistance for food. The OP doesn't need our permission to proceed, but she asked for opinions and this is mine: Welfare is for a specific purpose and I personally think it's irresponsible to get a tat while on welfare. Like a PP said.. that money should be spent trying to get off welfare. Being on welfare sucks because it's hard to get ahead with so little in your pocket. If I have an opportunity to get off welfare and start moving forward, you can bet your butt that I'll take it. I don't want to turn this into a debate, so I'm going to stop here.
post #29 of 49

How much money are we talking?

post #30 of 49
Thread Starter 

I didn't realize there were so many replies, I saw the first two and must not have noticed all these! Anyway, I asked for honest replies and that's what I got. I appreciate the feedback! Something that crosses my mind is that the cost of disposable diapers is around 850 a year and the cost of formula is around 1,500 a year. I just wonder why it is so acceptable to buy formula with food stamps or WIC, or buy diapers while on food stamps. In one year of breastfeeding and cloth diapering my two (7 and 20 months old) I save roughly 3,200!! I haven't gotten the tattoo by the way :)

post #31 of 49
I was even wondering are you "not supposed to" get your kids any toys because you could be using that to get off of welfare. There need to be some sacrifices. There needs to be some balance as well.
post #32 of 49
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Originally Posted by AllyFolsom View Post
 

I didn't realize there were so many replies, I saw the first two and must not have noticed all these! Anyway, I asked for honest replies and that's what I got. I appreciate the feedback! Something that crosses my mind is that the cost of disposable diapers is around 850 a year and the cost of formula is around 1,500 a year. I just wonder why it is so acceptable to buy formula with food stamps or WIC, or buy diapers while on food stamps. In one year of breastfeeding and cloth diapering my two (7 and 20 months old) I save roughly 3,200!! I haven't gotten the tattoo by the way :)

 

 

Now I wanna lurk in this thread and see what people say.  I've gotten tattoos on food stamps before(never on welfare though).  I find it interesting to see all the responses.  I wonder if people htink of medicaid as one and the same with programs like food stamps and welfare.  We are now off all aid but for medicaid.  But my job doesn't offer any health insurance.  So it would be pretty impossible to get off medicaid unless I wanted my kids to have no health insurance.  I wonder if that would preclude me from gettingn tattoos in those same people's minds.  I pay a premium for it but it's subsidi*ed because it's medicaid and I'm still at the low end of the spectrum financially.

post #33 of 49
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Originally Posted by FarmerMomma View Post

I was even wondering are you "not supposed to" get your kids any toys because you could be using that to get off of welfare. There need to be some sacrifices. There needs to be some balance as well.

I would argue that a couple of toys for one's children and a tattoo are nowhere near the same thing.  Kids need to play - it's their work.  Toys help facilitate that.  Nobody needs a tattoo.  It is purely a luxury item. 

post #34 of 49

I find it ineresting the two camps that develop in response to this question:  No, you shouldn't, because the money could be used in a more productive way, and Yes, go ahead, you've sacrificed a lot and would like it.

 

Many years ago, I stumbled upon the book A framework for Understanding Poverty  http://www.amazon.com/Framework-Understanding-Poverty-5th/dp/1938248015/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1392162606&sr=1-1&keywords=framework+for+understanding+poverty  (this is the new edition; the one I read was the 2003 version).  It talks about how there are different rules and social norms for different social classes.  Much of what works for people of middle class are not practical and are not taught  for anyone outside that class, either upper crust or poverty. Much of our  laws, fianancial expectations, and public behaviors are modeled on middle class social rules and values. It shows, in how we repond to questions like these and how we judge, willingly or not, the people around us. A fascinating read.

post #35 of 49
I have been thinking about this. I have to say I'm in the 'no' camp. It's a purchase that's both big and self indulgent. I do think those on welfare should feel free to treat themselves at times but when I think of a treat I think of a magazine, an article of clothing, driving a few hours away to visit family for a day or two, a bottle of wine, a few DVD rentals, a throw blanket. I don't think of a tattoo.

You said you have savings. The asset limit for food stamp eligibility is $2000. Unless it's a really small and simple tattoo it would use a significant portion of those savings. If you have enough to save why not try and get off government assistance so that money can be used for others?

Cloth diapers are great but I don't begrudge a family on public assistance disposables. Not everyone has access to laundry facilities that allow diapers to be washed and many daycares are not willing to use cloth diapers. In my opinion having saved money with cloth diapers does not justify spending a bunch of money on a luxury when taxpayers are buying your food.
post #36 of 49

I'd like to say though, I really appreciate how kind everyone is being in their responses.  All opinions are well thought out and I like the debate.  It didn't get judge-y which I am thrilled to see.

post #37 of 49
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Originally Posted by elus0814 View Post

I have been thinking about this. I have to say I'm in the 'no' camp. It's a purchase that's both big and self indulgent. I do think those on welfare should feel free to treat themselves at times but when I think of a treat I think of a magazine, an article of clothing, driving a few hours away to visit family for a day or two, a bottle of wine, a few DVD rentals, a throw blanket. I don't think of a tattoo.

You said you have savings. The asset limit for food stamp eligibility is $2000. Unless it's a really small and simple tattoo it would use a significant portion of those savings. If you have enough to save why not try and get off government assistance so that money can be used for others?

Cloth diapers are great but I don't begrudge a family on public assistance disposables. Not everyone has access to laundry facilities that allow diapers to be washed and many daycares are not willing to use cloth diapers. In my opinion having saved money with cloth diapers does not justify spending a bunch of money on a luxury when taxpayers are buying your food.

 

This totally. When it comes to the debate of where you could save money to maybe get off assistance different situations still have to be accounted for. I used cloth with my oldest two but not my third most of the time. When I had her though we traveled for dh's job in an rv and didn't have wash facilities of our own. Doing cloth laundry in a camp laundrymat when I was able to use it wouldn't have been an option. Daycares don't generally allow cloth either at least not where I live. I know the one dd briefly attended wouldn't so disposables were required then. Spending on disposables to put a kid in daycare and work is definitely better than using cloth at home without a job purely for that reason. The same debate could get stretched to other things as well like mama cloth, family cloth, etc. Or how to cook to save the most money. We all do the best we can with our situations but a tattoo is truly a luxury only item that can be quite costly. I personally wouldn't do it. I would be concerned about a tattoo in general though and would need a highly trusted and recommended tattoo artist to do it which would make it a costly endeavor though. My list of needs (household items, clothing, kids things, etc) is always long though and a tattoo just never hits the list just as a low income mama with or without assistance involved. 

post #38 of 49

You mentioned you don't spend ANYTHING on yourself... And you already scrimp on everything. 

 

Will this tattoo give you extra strength to go forward? Is it a part of your mental health self-care? Is it a form of healing therapy? [I don't mean retail therapy at all]  .. From what you mentioned, I think it's a YES to all 3 questions. 

 

Go for it, mama! 

post #39 of 49

This is kind of an aside, but a friend of mine was told (by a tattoo shop) that they would not give her a tattoo while she was still breastfeeding.  LLL recommends waiting until the nursing baby turns 1. Other than that consideration, I have no strong opinion on this issue :)

post #40 of 49
Why would you have to wait a year if you're nursing to get a tat? Actually curious about this and will look into it.
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