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post #81 of 106

Since becoming pregnant I've attempted a lot of research regarding pot smoking during pregnancy. It's safe to say the evidence is quite divided. 
Maybe I'm looking for the "it's okay to smoke here and there during pregnancy" information, as that's what I'd like to hear, but I came across a very interesting study regarding cannabinoids, of which THC is one. According to this study, women's breast milk has two types of endogenous cannabinoids inherent in our breast milk composition. Scientists believe this is of life importance for a newborn, to kick start their nourishing themselves. Apparently these cannabinoids give the same effect that THC gives us, causing us to have "the munchies", and encouraging the suckling in a newborn to want to eat (and eat, and eat). 
This I found fascinating. The scientists in the study indicated that there seemed to be some correlation between these endogenous cannabinoids and uterine development, though they admitted more research needed to be done to better understand the relationship (and whether external sources of cannabinoids would have an equally positive impact on uterine development, etc etc.)

 

The fear surrounding the issue of ingesting marijuana while pregnant could prove to be quite limiting on very important science. Taking a hit to increase hunger, decrease morning sickness, calm nerves, ease depression, etc etc vs. taking a prescribed chemically manufactured pill of which a whole industry is propped up by limiting the furthering of a plant based medicine research, and telling us their manufactured pill is the only safe and tested way to proceed during a pregnancy... Hmmmm.... My innate sense is that there is something very biased about this information.

Aside from limited scientific research, I've read case after case of pregnant mothers claiming they've smoked their entire pregnancy with healthy happy babies. Unless those who have smoked and harmed their babies are just remaining quiet, why aren't more self studies indicating that this is one of the biggest no-no's during pregnancy?



 


Edited by happyday8598 - 1/25/14 at 3:39pm
post #82 of 106

Alenushka- with all due respect, the article admits to more research being done to distinguish the effects of pot smoke from cigarette smoke. From the results from the actual study, "The most common individual drug was cannabis (OR 2.34 95% CI 1.13–4.81), although the effect was partially confounded by smoking. Both maternal self-reported smoking history and maternal serum cotinine levels were associated in a dose–response relationship with stillbirth. Positive serum cotinine less than 3 ng/mL and no reported history of smoking (proxy for passive smoke exposure) also were associated with stillbirth (OR 2.06, 95% CI 1.24–3.41)."

 

Also, this study was listed as Level of Evidence: II, which is only midlevel reliable on the scale, meaning that the quality criteria for listing something as reliably likely has not been met. Potentially indicting that these results would not be duplicated in another study, or were flawed in their applications. 

Not trying to start trouble, just really trying to critically analyze all studies I've read to form my own conclusions on the matter... 
I always go to the study itself, and not only a magazine article write up about the study (though, I do scour through those, too!)

post #83 of 106
Lol ICM!

I emphasize how much we just don't know about mj's effect on the fetus, and while there is nothing glaringly obvious like fetal alcohol syndrome, that doesn't mean there aren't more subtle effects on the baby's health and brain later in life. There is also the danger of unknown pesticides being used on MJ crops. It's not a well regulated industry, you know?!

Lastly, where I live at least, it's illegal. That's important.

Really lastly- anything that decreases mom's O2 level is bad. Smoking is bad.
post #84 of 106

:coffee

post #85 of 106
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Originally Posted by Katie8681 View Post

Lol ICM!

I emphasize how much we just don't know about mj's effect on the fetus, and while there is nothing glaringly obvious like fetal alcohol syndrome, that doesn't mean there aren't more subtle effects on the baby's health and brain later in life. There is also the danger of unknown pesticides being used on MJ crops. It's not a well regulated industry, you know?!

Lastly, where I live at least, it's illegal. That's important.

Really lastly- anything that decreases mom's O2 level is bad. Smoking is bad.

Very good point.

post #86 of 106
The argument that no amount is proven safe isnt very compelling for me.

For me it's that it's illegal, that's the huge one.
post #87 of 106

The reason that it's illegal is political, more than anything. The general population seems to be waking up to the ludicrousness of this outdated and potentially negligent law. 

As for the pesticides on mj, a majority of the food supply of the united states is laden with pesticides, which doesn't seem to be too much in the conversation regarding the health of an unborn fetus.

 

What's good, what's bad? Who really knows? We each do what we feel is best for our chances of having a happy, healthy, competent child. Plenty a mom has followed all the rules, and in a cruel twist of genetics is delivered a less than perfectly healthy child. Plenty have delivered a perfectly healthy child. However, plenty a mom has smoked crack during pregnancy, and has delivered a grossly dependent child, but also, plenty have delivered a healthy, baby, too. (I know this is the far end of the spectrum, and that choice is full of risks that are unimaginable, and I would not advocate for that path during pregnancy, but ... really, in the end, we just don't know...)

post #88 of 106
"The reason that it's illegal is political, more than anything. The general population seems to be waking up to the ludicrousness of this outdated and potentially negligent law."

It is a stupid law. Unfortunately where I live they sometimes sample newborn cords and of those show mj they use that to take the baby away. It is so immoral and so highly disturbing, but I could never risk having my family split up for a toke.
post #89 of 106
My focus is on the illegality. In order to get it, you have to get it on the black market. If your baby pees positive at birth, you could lose him/her. I can look up the caffeine content of Dunkin Donuts vs Starbucks coffee. Good luck finding out how much THC is in your joint. No, I'll stick to prescribing ZOFRAN, thanks.
post #90 of 106

It is such a sad sad thing for me to read that you'd stick to Zofran, a manufactured concoction of chemicals that we have ZERO idea of the long term impact to an unborn fetus, but rule out marijuana as a viable option for helping with the same thing. I think of the countless drugs that were recalled well after many to be moms ingested them, only to find out that upon further investigation are actually quite harmful. MJ, though illegal, for political reasons as we've already established, has been an earth growing herb for thousands of years. You'd think that by now if there was a glaringly dangerous impact from ingesting it during a pregnancy, it would be a common known fact. Zofran has been on the market for how long now? And it's list of ingredients are WHAT? and where derived from WHERE!?

It seems illogical to approve of a chemically manufactured drug because it's been "safely tested", but to deny a medicinal herb from nature that's been around for thousands of years. If you're against one, how can you not be against the other? If everything we put into our bodies will have a potential impact on this creature growing inside of us, how is Zofran exempt from that potential impact? 

 

On another note... whoa! Since reading further about drug testing for mothers and babies, I'm shocked at how as a culture we continuously allow our inherent rights to privacy and other things to just slip silently by the wayside without becoming ENRAGED!! How is the "keeping children and families safe act" keeping families safe when they are involving themselves in the lives of a newly formed family for pot! (but not for other drugs, which are way more harmful, just because they're doctor prescribed?) during a time when the family is most feeling the love and peace for the creation and bringing in of a beautiful new hope for their future? Or for a mother ingesting alcohol, which is not ILLEGAL to consume while pregnant, though it his highly ignorant... This seems like way to much of an infringement on my personal freedoms. One more reason why not to choose the path of the mainstream. Thank goodness home births are legal... for now... will we all stay quiet when a right such as this is taken away, mandating that we have no recourse from government scrutiny in any sector of our lives? 

Boy, this topic has certainly gotten my blood boiling for so many reasons... 
 


Edited by happyday8598 - 1/27/14 at 12:46pm
post #91 of 106
You equivocate "growing on the earth for thousands of years" to "being safely tested". I don't.
post #92 of 106
I'd rather smoke mj than take zofran for sure! I can't imagine I'd take zofran and since I'm too worried about testing positive for mj in blood id hair do nothing. They may be able to limit our choices with threats of immoral apprehension but it had been clearly established that the state can't force a pregnant woman to undergo medical treatment. So doing nothing is always an option, and is the one I choose 99% of the time.
post #93 of 106

Just because someone says, "I did it, my baby is fine!" doesn't mean it's "safe", or just because you did it during one pregnancy, you can do it during another with the same results.

 

Nothing truly has been proven safe to do while pregnant. I panicked when I had to take antibiotics at 13 weeks. I panicked when I had a sip of champagne for new years.

 

I'd say, better play is safe than sorry. ANYTHING can happen, to anyone and any baby at any time.

 

If you're too selfish to not put something, that is potentially harmful, into your body, perhaps you should rethink your choices.

 

Yeah, I can see the medical benefits of pot, I get it. Does the BABY need to be subjected to your self medicating?

 

Nope.

 

Are there other alternatives, other than perscription drugs as well?

 

Always.

 

Do they always work?

 

No, but you should probably find a truly healthy way to combat certain ailments when there's another life growing inside of you.

post #94 of 106

I don't equivocate a manufactured drug as "being safely tested" to necessarily mean anything. 
My point is that if MJ is off limits because of the unknown risks, how is Zofran acceptable? Just because a group of scientists who may or may not have all the necessary research to 100% ensure the safety of its use say it's acceptable?
Do we really know just how harmful anything is to our unborn child?

I'm saying, how dare we judge each other. MJ or Zofran, who knows which is safe, which is harmful, and how can we judge one another on following our intuition? I prefer mj, you prefer zofran. We're both preferring something external to ease the unpleasant aspects of pregnancy. Are either absolutely necessary? Are either 100% guaranteed to cause 0 harm to our fetus during development, or with health complications later in life?

I'm saying, live and let live. Judge and be judged. None of us has the answer. We're just doing the best we can with the information we've sought out, and how we've made sense of it. I don't think any of us have the intention to harm our children. Regardless if others deem our choices as unacceptable. 

post #95 of 106

I agree with pp, it's all about personal choice.

post #96 of 106

So I wasn't too familiar about the risks of Zophran so i looked it up. HOLY CRAP it's scary:

 

"The serious side effects of this medication include blurred vision or temporary vision loss (lasting from only a few minutes to several hours), slow heart rate, trouble breathing, anxiety, agitation, shivering, feeling like you might pass out, and urinating less than usual or not at all. Stop taking Zofran and call your doctor at once if you have any of these side effects.

 

This medicine may impair your thinking or reactions. Be careful if you drive or do anything that requires you to be alert."

 

And

 

"Ondansetron has been assigned to pregnancy category B by the FDA. Animal studies failed to reveal evidence of fetal damage. There are no controlled data in human pregnancy. Case reports have described two women who have received ondansetron during pregnancy for life-threatening hyperemesis gravidarum. No abnormalities were noted in the offspring of these two women. Ondansetron is only recommended for use during pregnancy when benefit outweighs risk."

 

I honestly don't understand how anyone who would be willing to take this while pregnant could simultaneously feel that mj consumption during pregnancy is too risky. Personally I would never take something like Zofran while pregnant. I would prefer to smoke weed, and since they can't compel a blood test during 1T and i refuse all bloodwork while pregnant, if i had morning sickness that was that bad and it came down to Zofran or mj, i would feel more comfortable with mj for sure. As it stands i never really had morning sickness with either pregnancy.

 

That's why it's all personal choice. I would definitely feel more comfortable exposing my baby to the risks associated with mj as opposed to Zofran. In reality i thankfully haven't had to make that choice.

post #97 of 106
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Originally Posted by TakeItSnape View Post
 

Just because someone says, "I did it, my baby is fine!" doesn't mean it's "safe", or just because you did it during one pregnancy, you can do it during another with the same results.

 

Nothing truly has been proven safe to do while pregnant. I panicked when I had to take antibiotics at 13 weeks. I panicked when I had a sip of champagne for new years.

 

I'd say, better play is safe than sorry. ANYTHING can happen, to anyone and any baby at any time.

 

If you're too selfish to not put something, that is potentially harmful, into your body, perhaps you should rethink your choices.

 

Yeah, I can see the medical benefits of pot, I get it. Does the BABY need to be subjected to your self medicating?

 

Nope.

 

Are there other alternatives, other than perscription drugs as well?

 

Always.

 

Do they always work?

 

No, but you should probably find a truly healthy way to combat certain ailments when there's another life growing inside of you.

 

Do you drive or are a passenger in a car while you are pregnant?  It's so risky!  You're clearly too selfish to have a baby and should really rethink your life and priorities. 

 

Yes, Zofran is risky, so are a lot of things in life - you must make risk benefit analyses *constantly*, pregnant or not.  And for a lot of women the choice to use Zofran  is a no brainer - it's either that or terminate a wanted pregnancy.  I personally don't take to heart garbage spewed by randos on the internet, but I've lived the nightmare of HG and your above screed is ignorant, unhelpful,  and just plain cruel.  You do not get to scold suffering women who make different choices about their own bodies and their own babies.

post #98 of 106

I recently had to make a cost/benefit analysis about a drug, and I don't think it is fair for us to judge anyone who is doing that.  If the person is an addict, and using "medicinal use" as an excuse to toke up, that is one thing, but if they have done their research, and are making a choice about how to treat a real condition, that is another, and who are we to judge?

 

In my case, I decided to use Robetussin.  It is a category C drug.  I was sick with a really nasty virus, and up all night coughing.  I wasn't getting any rest, and was peeing myself every time I had a coughing fit.  The doctor I saw, said it was totally fine but only use it if you really need to.  He left it at that.  I did some of my own reading, and decided that without some sleep, I was not going to be able to get well.  I'm in my third trimester, which lessens a lot of risks, so I took Robetussin for one night.  A good night's sleep was all I needed to turn the corner and start feeling better.  If I hadn't taken anything I might have gotten better, or I might have continued to get worse and worse, and ended up one of those pregnant women in the hospital with pneumonia.

 

Was it my first choice to take a category C drug?  No way!  Was I in a position where I decided that the benefits outweighed the risks?  Yep!  It is not for us to judge someone who is making an educated, informed choice.  If I had waltzed out of the doctor's office and downed a whole bottle of the stuff, I think that would be a different story.  Acting in ignorance or without consideration is selfish and troubling.  Making the best choice you can, is different, and I don't think any of us should judge someone for doing that.

 

BTW, I think it can go the other way too.  Like, "I'm so crunchy that I only use home remedies and never take my kids to an evil MD who will give them antibiotics, even when they are very very ill."  That is also a willfully ignorant choice.  It's all about risk/benefit analysis and educating yourself from reliable sources.

post #99 of 106
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Originally Posted by Katie8681 View Post

You equivocate "growing on the earth for thousands of years" to "being safely tested". I don't.

Exactly.

I'm a Master Gardener... a lot of things can grow organic, strong and "natural" but they can also kill you. Datura, foxglove, castor bean, yew berries and many others to name a few.

Medicating your developing baby for your own pleasure is truly selfish. irked.gif

Women with chronic illnesses are between the rock and the hard place a lot of time on issues of this nature. Go un-medicated and risk losing your health and your sanity or stay on the drugs and risk your baby's health? It's a choice I never had to make. My heart goes out to any of you in this place.hug2.gif
post #100 of 106

I personally wouldn't have a problem with smoking mj occasionally while pregnant if it weren't for the legal issues. I especially think it can be therapeutic for stress relief with far less risks than other anti-anxiety meds like Ativan or Clonazepam.

 

It really is about personal choice and personal assessment of risks/benefits. During my first pregnancy i didn't take anything at all, even for vicious heartburn, and ds had a weird issue with his urethra despite that i was pure as a nun. This time i decided, screw it, i'm not going through 7 months of heartburn hell, and i started taking Zantac, pretty much one (75 mg) per day since 3T and a few times before that too, and this baby has zero risks.

 

For some, the benefits of mj will outweigh the risks, and that will be clear to them. For others, it won't. It's all about personal decisions.

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