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People you know in real life, or online?


In the flesh

post #22 of 35

Interesting. I don't see anything to indicate an incidence of GBS from the flu shot of anything over a couple of people per 100,000... that is one heck of a statistical anomaly you've got going there. I wonder if there was some common factor among those people. 

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post #24 of 35
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in case anyone missed this - http://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(13)70104-X/abstract


Interesting.  Considering that there's a nearly 100% chance of getting the flu vax if you choose to go that route, and a drastically lower chance of getting the flu whether you vax or not, what do their stats suggest is the better strategy for avoiding GB?  I'm too tired to crunch the numbers right now, but at first blurry glance the odds look pretty close.

post #25 of 35

That is an interesting link. Two of them I know for a fact were in that 2-4wk window following vaccination.  None of the 3 had the flu, just the vaccine. All were at different times, the most recent one being last year, the other two within the last 8-10 years.  The one most recent is actually my neighbor, and we didn't know about it until almost a month later but she was hospitalized while on vacation (2 or 3 weeks after vaccination), made it back here only to end up in the hospital again and wasn't able to work for almost 6mos. I do know she has some sort of auto immune although for the life of me I can't think of the name of it right now.

 

As for commonality.....2 white males, one in his early 20's one late 40's, one black female late 20's....none living in the same areas of the state, very different backgrounds, so hard to say.

post #26 of 35
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Interesting.  Considering that there's a nearly 100% chance of getting the flu vax if you choose to go that route, and a drastically lower chance of getting the flu whether you vax or not, what do their stats suggest is the better strategy for avoiding GB?  I'm too tired to crunch the numbers right now, but at first blurry glance the odds look pretty close.

I don't see that they offer a better strategy "ASK you health care provider" "inform those getting the vaccine of the risk"-a joke! - IRL I do know MOST have no clue that GB can happen after a flu shot and they are NOT advised of that prior to the shot either. Sadly most are not given real informed consent prior to MOST if any vaccines.

post #27 of 35

I reached my breaking point when I first looked at the current schedule when my first was born. HepB in the hospital? That was the most outrageous thing after I had to be tested for HepB twice since I changed insurance companies during my pregnancy and they insisted on redoing it. I was vaccinated and tested negative and you want to give the shot to my newborn considering I wasn't sexually active during pregnancy (pelvic rest early on for contractions). That broke all confidence in mainstream doctors when it comes to vaccines. Not looking at individual circumstances... Totally insane! Then I had the CP vaccine 4 times and no antibodies... Yet another nasty story. The one and only MMR I had came with fever and unexplained intestinal cramps for 6 months (the doc concluded it was a MMR side effect). Fun times!

I evaluate each vaccine for risks and benefits, and how likely it is to contract the disease as well as efficacy. I do value certain vaccines, others, not so much. DT and measles are important to me. aP comes along with DTaP but its efficacy is less than impressing and I'm not counting on it on protecting my children at all. IPV is pretty unreactive and we did it later on. Begrudgingly we had to accept rubella and mumps with the MMR. I'd rather have waited until 12 for mumps and rubella, like it was in my childhood. I think what also really made me quite suspicious of the current schedule was the shift to vaccinate infants and toddlers for diseases that were later vaccinated when I was young (see mumps, rubella, HepB only for teens when I was young). Then moving to the US where they have these weird mandatory school attendance laws (there are no such things back home) and I found that highly intrusive and so Big Brother. The whole mandatory thing makes it look especially wrong - if it's so good, how come you force people into it???? 

post #28 of 35

How about a universal vaccine for a disease that has no symptoms and most people do not know they have it?

http://blog.chron.com/bakerblog/2014/01/the-case-for-universal-vaccination-against-the-human-papillomavirus-hpv/

post #29 of 35
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How about a universal vaccine for a disease that has no symptoms and most people do not know they have it?

http://blog.chron.com/bakerblog/2014/01/the-case-for-universal-vaccination-against-the-human-papillomavirus-hpv/

 

American women have a 1 in 152 lifetime risk of getting cervical cancer.  30% of women that get cervical cancer will die.  

http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancerbasics/lifetime-probability-of-developing-or-dying-from-cancer

 

What is the lifetime risk of dying from the HPV vaccine again? Remember we currently only get three doses in our lifetime. 

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American women have a 1 in 152 lifetime risk of getting cervical cancer.  30% of women that get cervical cancer will die.  

http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancerbasics/lifetime-probability-of-developing-or-dying-from-cancer

 

What is the lifetime risk of dying from the HPV vaccine again? Remember we currently only get three doses in our lifetime. 

 

1 in 152 sounds quite high, until you realize that American women have a 99.3% chance of NOT getting cervical cancer, and a 99.7% chance of NOT dying from it.

 

We don't know the lifetime risk of dying from HPV vaccine.  We actually know very little about the risks, because Merck has done a lot of covering up of adverse reactions, but we do know that a disturbingly high number of previously healthy young women have reported similar severe adverse reactions--and those identical health conditions that have NOT been reported by unvaccinated young women of the same demographic.  It's also interesting to note that most of these injured young women were competitive athletes, which you would think would be a starting-off point for Merck to do additional research, to try to learn why these women developed these severe health conditions in such close proximity to the vaccination.

 

But Merck is only interested in denying any link.


Edited by Taximom5 - 1/19/14 at 10:14am
post #31 of 35

I bet the lifetime risk of dying from the HPV vaccine is less than 0.3% and the lifetime risk of having serious complications from it is less than 0.7%. (I'm comparing the rate of cancer to the rate of vaccine complications to make a point--if you get cancer and have to go through treatment, it's not a walk in the park even if you do survive). And personally, I'm all for more research on the adverse effects of vaccines and what makes people more likely to have a reaction, but I don't think that all vaccination needs to stop while this research is conducted. 

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Taximom, please edit your post to remove the personal remark directed at teacozy. 

post #33 of 35
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American women have a 1 in 152 lifetime risk of getting cervical cancer.  30% of women that get cervical cancer will die.  

http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancerbasics/lifetime-probability-of-developing-or-dying-from-cancer

 

 

Can't resist…100% of women that get cervical cancer will die ;)

post #34 of 35
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Can't resist…100% of women that get cervical cancer will die ;)

 

 

You're right!

 

And 100% of women who don't get cervical cancer will, die, too!

post #35 of 35
Just like 100% of women who were never vaccinated. (And men, and everyone fully vaccinated of course).

And half of the world are below average intelligence too.

Statistics are fun huh. smile.gif
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