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There are several other blogs debunking Amy Porter's article!

 

http://loveofrealfood.com/2014/01/06/growing-up-unvaccinated-a-rebuttal/#comment-256

 

http://www.modernalternativemama.com/blog/2014/01/10/growing-up-unvaccinated-scary-potential-or-healthy-reality/#.UtF9ZnnnmlI

 

http://www.thomasvan.com/health/a-response-to-growing-up-unvaccinated

post #102 of 146

I don't want to go OT but I do think it was Kathy (way back in the thread! LONG and great I may add!!) - about "organic" and raw milk - in the late 60's early 70's I was in elementary and I had many classmates that would not drink our school milk even though their family farms contributed to it - they only drank raw at home. My state it was and is legal and I knew growing up a lot about it. 

 

Also we didn't use the term "organic" in the 70's but by the 80's we did use that term (it was really just starting) but most of what I got growing up (beef, pork, chicken and veggies) were 100% organic - they were cheaper to grow - old farmers used what they had - plop! and sprays cost money so must didn't use them.

 

I did by my first alternative medicine book for myself prior to 1980 when I was in 10th grade so I do know some did by things at younger ages but I would say that wasn't the norm by any means. shrug.gif

 

Her story doesn't really add up! 

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Do not know where you grew up, Serenbat, but in SoCal in the 1950s, organic was in the two local health food stores near my community' one was down the street from the Chiropractic College where my Father got his training.  We also bought raw milk from Jessup Dairy Drive ins and Alta Dena Dairies.  Other dairies carry raw milk now.

 

I brought raw milk to school in my thermos and was told not to eat anything from anyone else. There were two other raw milk families in my private religious school.

 

I was in graduate school during the first swine flu fiasco; I would not date anyone who got the flu vax!

 

This is probably quite a regional thing because I know my family moved to SoCal in the 1940s for the health food/organic, raw, vegetarian mindset.

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Do not know where you grew up, Serenbat, but in SoCal in the 1950s, organic was in the two local health food stores near my community' one was down the street from the Chiropractic College where my Father got his training.  We also bought raw milk from Jessup Dairy Drive ins and Alta Dena Dairies.  Other dairies carry raw milk now.

 

I brought raw milk to school in my thermos and was told not to eat anything from anyone else. There were two other raw milk families in my private religious school.

 

I was in graduate school during the first swine flu fiasco; I would not date anyone who got the flu vax!

 

This is probably quite a regional thing because I know my family moved to SoCal in the 1940s for the health food/organic, raw, vegetarian mindset.

PA and not too far from Rodale! 

 

ETA- let me better state where I grew up - right between Connaught Lab in one direction and Rodale in the other - in the middle, half way between both ---------- and yes, years and years ago Connaught got sued a lot and it made the local paper because the cases were heard at the local court house, it was at one time the largest job source in that county and EVERYONE knew at least someone who had worked there at one point - including those who worked in the legal dept!:wink

post #105 of 146

Emmanus, PA.  The granddaughter, Maria, is in charge now.

 

My family moved out of OH and MA.

post #106 of 146

On the tangent of fluoridated water and how to remove it....growing up, my mom used distillation. I assume if she was able to afford a couple units for residential use at that time, others could have, too. I currently use an undermount RO unit for our kitchen. Wish I could afford a whole house system. 

post #107 of 146

mom0810 I think you hit the nail right on the head.

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after i read this piece yesterday, a pop-up of "similar" links came up below it on Facebook-i linked to it & found a nice little bio about Amy Parker (looked quite legit, as it explained who she was, what she does, some of her experiences in third world countries, her passions of helping cure preventable diseases, a nice picture of her with some children in a foreign land).  she's a disease epidemiologist & has or is working for the CDC.  maybe this could be a different Amy Parker, but it did line up nicely with content of this hit-piece. 

 

Would a CDC employee write such a long list of verifiable misinformation?  

post #109 of 146

"Amy Parker" is a very common name. For example, on LinkedIn.com, there are 364 "Amy Parkers" in the United States, and 43 in the United Kingdom.

post #110 of 146

Just noticed your article made its way to the Thinking Mom's Revolution blog.....nice job Taximom5!

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Only if you have a Berkey (I think those have only been out for around a decade or less) or have access to a LOT of holy basil... speaking of which, it was only in the last decade that studies were done (in India) that showed holy basil could remove fluoride from water.

I'm pretty sure, but am not positive (having been born in '82, myself), that there wasn't a known way to filter fluoride when she was a child....

There are other filters besides Berkley. I have a MetroPure that filters fluoride. http://www.gtawater.com/assets/water-filter-fluoride-removal-toronto-canada.htm

 

I'm not even sure fluoride was on most people's radar as a problem back then. And England/Europe have always had far lower - non-existent levels anyway.

post #112 of 146
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I think it's very telling that the pro-vaccine community has been VERY quiet about Amy Parker and her article, ever since SEVERAL authors have debunked it (some mentioned here: http://www.mothering.com/community/t/1395575/articles-debunking-amy-parkers-growing-up-unvaccinated  If you know of others, post them there!).

 

Not a word from the usual suspects--David Gorski and his minions, Skeptical Raptor, etc, though it IS nice to see Suzanne Humphries' new book Dissolving Illusions, in one of the adverts on his page, haha!

 

Not a word from any of the pro-vaxxers who initially posted Amy Parker's article all over FaceBook.  I can only imagine that they are embarrassed that they ever believed it was real.

 

As they should be.

post #113 of 146

Yep, they should be embarrassed huge fail. It totally shows them up for what they are, liars. The best they can hope for is it disappears down the memory hole. 

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i dont think you can filter out flouride either
u can now at least but it's very expensive and not easy to do.
post #115 of 146
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u can now at least but it's very expensive and not easy to do.

 

Doesn't distilling remove fluoride?

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Doesn't distilling remove fluoride?
Yep it can but distilling water is energy and time consuming. I suppose you can find water distillers you can buy maybe- not sure how much that costs.
post #117 of 146
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There was another article, published in April 2013 by The Guardian, that is suspiciously similar to Amy Parker's piece.

 

Take a look:  http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/apr/24/wish-my-daughter-vaccinated?view=mobile

 

Very similar formula, very similar writing style:

 

The author, Sophie Heawood, used to be "one of those who refused vaccinations," and she now "flinches with shame."

 

Ms. Heawood wants to be identified as "one of them."  She had a fridge full of organic vegetables!  And a washing machine!  

Oops, time to take it up a notch: she also breastfed, and read alternative health forums!

 

 

Diseases are dangerous!  People move in from other countries, bringing dangerous diseases with them!

Aaand, take it up a notch: author's friends, when she was growing up, died of vaccine-preventable diseases.

 

Talk about pertussis. Her daughter caught pertussis!

Take it up a notch:  Talk about how "disgusting it is to watch your child needlessly suffer."  (Sound familiar?)

Take it up another notch:  talk about how the whole family came down with pertussis. (But wait?  The whole family?  She never says that SHE grew up unvaccinated, or that her husband was unvaccinated, or that anybody else in the family was unvaccinated.  How did they ALL come down with pertussis?  Could it be that...the vaccine didn't work?)

 

Talk about diphtheria.  Dangerous.  Kills one in five. 

Take it up a notch: talk about picture of infant with neck swollen and ready to burst.  (Note: diphtheria is indeed a dangerous disease.  However, from 1986-1995, there were only 38 cases reported in the UK.  ONE case was reported in 2008.)

 

Talk about polio.

​Take it up a notch:  her parents have friends who still limp from polio. (But we don't know whether they got polio from the oral polio vaccine or from wild polio..)


Talk about meningitis.
Take it up a notch:  she had friends who died from meningitis! (But don't talk about which strain, how they might have gotten infected, what underlying medical conditions they might have had, whether they were treated properly by the doctors, etc.

Remind us that she's "one of us." 

She has a "hunch" that vaccines aren't good.

Take it up a notch: she's so scared of vaccines, her MOTHER has to take her child in for jabs. (Oh, yeah, that's REALLY convincing.)

 

End with a threat.

She feels "funny about her child or anyone else's child dying of measles."  In 2013.

Take it up a notch:  quote Roald Dahl's journal.  ""Got to hospital," he wrote in his diary. "Walked in. Two doctors advanced on me from waiting room. How is she? I'm afraid it's too late."
 

Same formula, isn't it?  It's just stirred up a bit.

 

Interesting how both articles are from the UK.  The Lake District is, what, about 100 miles from Hackney (the suburb where Sophie Heawood is from)?  Oddly enough, Sophie Heawood's article did NOT appear on "Voices For Vaccines."  I wonder if she helped Amy Parker write her piece....
 

post #118 of 146

Interesting taxi. It does read like V4V used the same template for the Amy Parker piece. 

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Hi taximom4 - I went to that link you used to source your statement that MMR was not available in the UK until 1998; and that page says nothing of the sort, so I'm wondering where you got that information.  As far as I am aware MMR was made available in 1963.  The NHS link you posted http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/vaccinations/Pages/mmr-vaccine.aspx says that in 1998 a paper was written by Andrew Wakefield that created doubts and controversy around the MMR vaccine.  And then it says that this paper was later completely discredited and Wakefield no longer a doctor in the UK.  In 2010, health experts criticized media reporting of the MMR-autism controversy for triggering a decline in vaccination rates.  Before publication of Wakefield's findings, the inoculation rate for MMR in the UK was 92%; after publication, the rate dropped to below 80%. In 1998, there were 56 measles cases in the UK; by 2008, there were 1348 cases, with 2 confirmed deaths.  http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/autism/%E2%80%9Cparanoia-strikes-deep%E2%80%9D-mmr-vaccine-and-autism

 

I understand the worry about not properly understood vaccinations for young children, but I also fear the misunderstanding and false proliferation of side effects caused by vaccines that turn out to be false and cost lives.  

 

Anyways I'd still like to know where you sourced your information that the MMR vaccine was not available in the UK until 1998.  

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Hi taximom4 - I went to that link you used to source your statement that MMR was not available in the UK until 1998; and that page says nothing of the sort, so I'm wondering where you got that information.  As far as I am aware MMR was made available in 1963.  

This government site say 1988.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/246403/Vaccination_timeline_1796_to_2013.pdf

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