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Just want to add that people don't grow resistant to antibiotics.  Is is the bacteria that grow resistant.  They do so by prior exposure to antibiotics and subsequent selection for the resistant sub-populations (that then become dominant).  This is a big problem that is in large part due to the misuse and overuse of antibiotics.  This is an ecological problem that is being aggravated by doctor's non-judicious prescription of antibiotics (like treating every ear infection with antibiotics) and use of antibiotics to promote growth in large-scale food animal production.  Just an aside, but yet another error in her article.  And, she can thank her long history of antibiotic use for the problem with drug resistance. 

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Great work Taximom.

 

Not that that will stop the septics from using it as "verifiable truth"....

 

Aw, thanks, MomTu! :blush

 

"Septics?"   PERFECT!:rotflmao

post #43 of 146

This really should be turned into a blog post for easier linking!

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This really should be turned into a blog post for easier linking!

 

How do I do that if I don't have a blog?

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I'm not provax or anti. I'm just in search of truth here because I'm interested in the article and topic.

 

Here's what I've found:

 

1 - As far as I can tell, Amy Parker (aka Amy Stretch-Parker, Amy Robina) has never written anything else that has
been published in her life. This article, even if it uses a lot of informal language, is fairly well written for someone
with no previous experience writing this type of personal essay. She
probably had an editor at Voices for Vaccinations, but it's still a
little hard to believe that Slate would pick up an article by someone with no experience. Most of the other writers in the section of Slate have pretty legit writing backgrounds.

2 - Other than where she makes a point of using British terms and
identifying them, her language is Americanized. Maybe an editor did
this, but there are many phrases and words that Brits do not commonly
say, like "emergency room," or "crunchy granola" to describe a hippie
type. Also I'm not sure "freaking" is commonly used in the UK.

NOTE: Some of this has since been edited (like emergency room was changed to A and E, the actual British term - Brits would not say emergency room generally. It does still appear in the Slate version) on the original post on Voices for Vaccines. Compare the current post to the Slate version. There are a number of edits. Who is editing the original (if Amy just had a baby), and why?

3 - While she could've statistically had all of the illnesses she
describes, it's pretty far-fetched. Even with higher incidence during
the late 70s and 80s, it's unlikely, or she was extremely unlucky. For
example the incidence rate for measles in 82 was around .1%. It's
similar for most of what she mentions - this is all from the UK health
database.

4 - I'm surprised she never mentions her bipolar disorder as part of
her identity, which she does in this YouTube video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B20Xr5cwEJI (she also seems to go by
Amy Stretch-Parker and Amy Robina -
http://www.pinterest.com/amyrobina/ &
http://www.pinterest.com/amyrobina/)

 

My conclusion, which is just a theory: this article may be based on an anecdotal story, but it has been grossly exaggerated and written and edited by someone who is not British and is not Amy Parker. I wish Slate would actually look into this.

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How do I do that if I don't have a blog?


You could start one, or you could have it as a guest post on someone else's blog. I have one, but I also have no traffic and almost no posts.

post #47 of 146

Did anyone else have issues with this section?

 

"My two vaccinated children, on the other hand, have rarely been ill, have had antibiotics maybe twice in their lives, if that (not like me who got so many illnesses which needed treatment with antibiotics that I developed a resistance to them, which led me to be hospitalized with penicillin-resistant quinsy at 21–you know that old fashioned disease that killed Queen Elizabeth I and which was almost wiped out through use of antibiotics)."

 

As a mom who is reluctant to vaccinate, I am also reluctant to give my kids antibiotics. If this chick's mom is as hardcore healthy as she explains, then why is she so willing to pump her daughter full of antibiotics?..... Also, penicillin-resistant quinsy (apparently caused by antibiotics) was almost wiped out through use of antibiotics? .. Wait, WHAT?

post #48 of 146

@Taximom5 - you've created quite a new following here, maybe the boards will pick up once again! :bgbounce

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Did anyone else have issues with this section?

 

"My two vaccinated children, on the other hand, have rarely been ill, have had antibiotics maybe twice in their lives, if that (not like me who got so many illnesses which needed treatment with antibiotics that I developed a resistance to them, which led me to be hospitalized with penicillin-resistant quinsy at 21–you know that old fashioned disease that killed Queen Elizabeth I and which was almost wiped out through use of antibiotics)."

 

As a mom who is reluctant to vaccinate, I am also reluctant to give my kids antibiotics. If this chick's mom is as hardcore healthy as she explains, then why is she so willing to pump her daughter full of antibiotics?..... Also, penicillin-resistant quinsy (apparently caused by antibiotics) was almost wiped out through use of antibiotics? .. Wait, WHAT?

 

Welcome, KaleioscopeEyes!  Thank you for pointing that out.  I just edited the OP to mention several glaring errors and inconsistencies in Amy Parker's piece, including that one.

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Welcome to daddying, Niki79, and afabe!  Great to have you aboard!

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Also welcome to yipsoupyfoster!  Great to have you here, too!

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Here is another one I saw posted on facebook, and it reminded me of this thread: http://guggiedaly.blogspot.com/2014/01/growing-up-unvaccinated-voices-for.html

I sort of skimmed through it, I didn't actually read it thoroughly, I just thought it was interesting that I saw a friend posting it as counterpoint to the other article, which I saw was posted by many friends.


Just read it, LOVE LOVE LOVE a thousand times over and will be sharing and it links back to this thread and another as well, so really great info for people to see the whole picture!

post #53 of 146

Thanks for this takedown. I found A. Parker's article to be utterly ridiculous. I've posted this article on Vaccine Skeptic Society on Facebook. Thanks again.

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Thanks for this takedown. I found A. Parker's article to be utterly ridiculous. I've posted this article on Vaccine Skeptic Society on Facebook. Thanks again.

Wow, thank, and welcome aboard, VaxSkepticSoc!
post #55 of 146

Taximom, thank you so much for this great piece of work!!!  From my perspective, so much of what you wrote also applies to the tactics used by those who attack Homeopathic Medicine. Almost the exact same approach was used by a famous 'skeptic'  who claimed he was a former Homeopath (but he was not) and of course it goes on from there to follow your list and demonize or rather 'quackacize' all Homeopaths.  Hundreds of valid scientific studies and centuries of documented clinical evidence are dismissed with the line 'there is no evidence' that then gets copied and pasted everywhere.  

And on vaccines, those who have questions about vaccination are being more and more attacked, even in online attachment parenting groups, I'm noticing, to my dismay.  What also bothers me are the 'make the moms feel guilty for not protecting the herd' tactics.  

 

Anyhow, thanks again for a great piece of deconstruction. I've seen this formula before many times, it's good to bring it to light.

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Welcome aboard, HomeoMom!

post #57 of 146
I found this forum the same day I read amy park's story... she claims she was that sick that often? I have an immune disorder (CVID) and at the age of 12, my immune system basically disappeared. Even I with no immune system wasn't THAT sick lol. I was treated at St Jude and never met anyone in the immunology department who was that sick...and we were all REALLY SICK kids!

Love your synopsis of her article!
post #58 of 146

i dont think you can filter out flouride either

post #59 of 146
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i dont think you can filter out flouride either

Only if you have a Berkey (I think those have only been out for around a decade or less) or have access to a LOT of holy basil... speaking of which, it was only in the last decade that studies were done (in India) that showed holy basil could remove fluoride from water.

I'm pretty sure, but am not positive (having been born in '82, myself), that there wasn't a known way to filter fluoride when she was a child....

post #60 of 146

the same Amy Parker - Amy Parker Fiebelkorn, MSN, Division of Viral Diseases, National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, CDC.

 

As for the HPV I had a suspect PAP and they found precancerous cells caused by HPV. They had to do a biopsy and it was very quick. There was no 6 month wait and no fear of how I was going to explain to my children who were young at the time. And that was pre 1998 I think. It was very common.

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