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Welcome firemedic80, kyzar, VioletLove, and nowafox!  So nice to have so many newbies here!

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Only if you have a Berkey (I think those have only been out for around a decade or less) or have access to a LOT of holy basil... speaking of which, it was only in the last decade that studies were done (in India) that showed holy basil could remove fluoride from water.

I'm pretty sure, but am not positive (having been born in '82, myself), that there wasn't a known way to filter fluoride when she was a child....


I never even thought of that!  If anyone can find out for sure, please post!

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the same Amy Parker - Amy Parker Fiebelkorn, MSN, Division of Viral Diseases, National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, CDC.

 

As for the HPV I had a suspect PAP and they found precancerous cells caused by HPV. They had to do a biopsy and it was very quick. There was no 6 month wait and no fear of how I was going to explain to my children who were young at the time. And that was pre 1998 I think. It was very common.

 

I'm actually not convinced that they are the same person.  One is a piano teacher in rural England, supposedly mother of 3, and the other has degrees in nursing and public health, mentions no children, and lives in the US.   They do look similar, though.

 

Seems to me, if Ms. Fiebelkorn were going to pretend to be someone else, wouldn't she change her name?

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OH, OH, OH!!  (Raising my hand here!)  You forgot that she didn't get sugar until she was 1.  How healthy is that??  And how many babies do you know got sugar before they were one? 

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Could be, but they are both the same age and Amy Parker is Amy Parker Fiebelkorn's maiden name. Maybe she made up the whole story, who knows. Just seems very coincidental and while the pictures are limited there is a strong resemblance.

 

The whole story just seems very suspect and doesn't make sense to me.

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OH, OH, OH!!  (Raising my hand here!)  You forgot that she didn't get sugar until she was 1.  How healthy is that??  And how many babies do you know got sugar before they were one? 

Welcome aboard, Bettyjo!

 

More to the point, if she was breastfed, breast milk is about 7.5% sugars (lactose and oligosaccharides).  I wonder if she believes her mother produced sugar-free breastmilk?

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Could be, but they are both the same age and Amy Parker is Amy Parker Fiebelkorn's maiden name. Maybe she made up the whole story, who knows. Just seems very coincidental and while the pictures are limited there is a strong resemblance.

 

The whole story just seems very suspect and doesn't make sense to me.

 

I agree.

 

But let's assume, for simplicity's sake, that they are two different, completely unrelated women.

 

Let's assume that Amy Parker, the piano teacher, unvaccinated child of crunchy-granola-mom, etc., wrote that post for VoicesForVaccines out of the very best of intentions, because she earnestly believes that parents questioning/criticizing/delaying vaccines are cruel, thoughtless barbarians who believe in a variety of fairy tales, and who are endangering children everywhere because they dare to question safety/efficacy of an invasive procedure.

 

It's STILL sick and twisted.

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Pure gold. Ohh yes mothering, you rule, once again.

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My pro-vaccine FB friend fanatics have been posting this right and left. What a JOY it was to come here and read this tonight! I have been sooooo tempted to say something but I long ago learned that trying to change a vaccinator is just as impossible as changing my mind about the horrors of vaccinations. It is just so darned frustrating to be up against so much big time Pharma and $$ that you see these stories -- instantly spot them as propaganda but the person posting them tells you not to believe in "anecdotal evidence" and "stories you read on the internet" even though that is the very back up they give their stance!

 

Sorry for the rant Cuss.gif -- I just grow so tired of reading such lies from what is obviously an full page Pharma ad disguised as a personal testimonial!

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Thank you so much for this article. You confirmed everything I suspected about that article, "Growing Up Unvaccinated".

I smelled a shill there from miles away.

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i dont think you can filter out flouride either

It is my understanding that stage 5 reverse osmosis with storage tank can filter out fluoride.  www.amazon.com/ Reverse-Osmosis-Storage-Removes-Fluoride/ sim/ B002LHDL7E/ 2

 

(I am not at all sure?)

 

My sister, ( a DENTIST! ) , has one in her home and told me that it does. I know that the tech was around in the late 1980s.

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Thank you for this brilliant piece of reason....  I smiled.

How many people will be fooled by this fabricated :internet gosopel" I wonder, written by AP ?
I was tempted to rewrite it myself and turn it around..... word for word.... about growing up with vaccines and medications and asthma and every virus and bug imaginable and then having a wakeup call after my second child got brain damage from her vaccines as a baby, and slowly but surely doing the research and discovering the way to healthy immune systems ever since.   Thanks to the sacrifice made by my daughter... and my subsequent unvaccinated two children are 150% healthier than my first two children ever were (for which I am eternally regretful and constantly apologize to them).  Yes indeed, I could write a similarly touchy-feely-crunchy piece that contained far more truth than Amy Parker's piece of fiction....

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I am glad I accidentally found this!!

 

Just thought I would throw my 2 cents into the pot.  I was diagnosed with the "pre-cancerous HPV" about 6 years ago.  My doctor took care of it quickly by removing the infected areas (I have since learned that chances were great that my body would have just taken care of it on it's own).  He did not wait 6 months and he quickly calmed all my tears and fears when I hear that horrifying word "cancer" by letting me know, we will get it out and all will be fine.  6 Years later and regular exams, there has been no further problems.

 

It completely blows my mind what we are up against as parents, the level of ignorance and emotion caused by man made fear is unbelievable at times. People won't even listen to reason or common sense, probably because they will have to admit they might have been wrong.

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Welcome aboard, eyeswideopen, Elizabeth11, and Wheely2003!

 

Excellent points, all of you!  Please do start threads relating to your own experiences, so that there are many many calm, reasoned, and above all, FACTUAL anecdotes to balance the deceitful fiction.

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Thank you for posting this. I posted your rebuttal as well as this link! You girls are super helpful! I've actually been looking at these posts the past few days on mothering.com and decided to join, I'm happy to have joined this group and I am also pretty impressed with the debate group.

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Holy crap this section made me SMDH big time. How can you believe in witchcraft AND healing powers from the Holy Spirit at the same time? Believing in one negates the other. I would have found her more credible in this part if she had left her list at even half of those things lists. It was here that I decided the author was a certified lunatic or lying out her her.
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Interesting thread! I actually hadn't read the original piece. I couldn't make it past the first few sentences. I can't stand that style of writing. . . I'm happy to read opposing view points when it is a study or discussion of fact. But, when it is just a rant that is designed to appeal to people's emotions, I am completely turned off. Sometimes I see anti-vaccine posts like that too and I can't stand those either. The technique that bothers me the most is when the writer inserts completely irrelevant bits withing seemingly relevant bits to try to make their point seem beefier. I guess some people fall for this, but when I see that, anything else the writer says is worthless to me. I am tempted to write a satire piece, but it probably isn't worth my energy. Bottom line, if I were pro-vax, I would be embarassed by this piece and certainly wouldn't spread it around.
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Thank you so much for going to the work of writing this article. It's precisely what I've been searching the internet for for 2 days now! It's maddening how if a vaccine questioner posted an article like this it would be mauled for being anecdotal presumption, but when it's used by pro-vax blogs and websites it goes viral. I feel the worst for my young mom friends who read it without knowing to question anything. I will be sharing this!

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Taximom, time to start a blog!
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... instantly spot them as propaganda but the person posting them tells you not to believe in "anecdotal evidence" and "stories you read on the internet" even though that is the very back up they give their stance!

 

Sorry for the rant Cuss.gif -- I just grow so tired of reading such lies from what is obviously an full page Pharma ad disguised as a personal testimonial!

Oh my gosh, I want to write that down in a book of quotes, copy and paste it once a day on FB and make a pamphlet based on it, to mail to my oddly persistent pro-vaccination friend who sends me vaccine propaganda links all the time on FB (not to change my mind, *of course*, but because "she doesn't understand my point of view"... well, first of all, you could ask me and listen, rather than slamming my wall and PM box with paid-by garbage that I spot a mile away! :P end my rant).
LOVE THIS in it's truthful simplicity!

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