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Originally Posted by Viola View Post
 

Here is another one I saw posted on facebook, and it reminded me of this thread: http://guggiedaly.blogspot.com/2014/01/growing-up-unvaccinated-voices-for.html

I sort of skimmed through it, I didn't actually read it thoroughly, I just thought it was interesting that I saw a friend posting it as counterpoint to the other article, which I saw was posted by many friends.

 

Yeah, and for this one, I can vouch for the author.  I've known her online for years.  She's certainly not working for a government agency with an agenda.  

post #82 of 146

Amy Parker's website actually lists her birthplace and hometown as the US, not UK. She is also a paid contract fiction writer, which was not mentioned in her bio with her other occupation of piano teacher. Wonder why?

post #83 of 146

I'm really sad the article didn't do enough research to find her. Here she is several years earlier talking about her bipolar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku-N2RB32kE

This woman is a hyper manic low cycling bipolar individual. While not everything she says should be discounted. It is important to understand that bipolar individuals are black and white thinkers. It is nearly impossible for them to do things by degrees or believe things by degrees. In other words, the truth about her experience probably is somewhere between the two belief systems she shared--the mystical healthy place she thought she was living and the sick unhealthy place she now believes she was living in.


Her article is probably intended primarily as self-deception and the rest of society is simply a bystander. Black and White thinkers repaint there obviously gray lives in a sort of rewrite of their own stories. They find it therapeutic, because it washes away the gray that makes them so uncomfortable.

post #84 of 146

tinybirds, she is bipolar, which when left without a very strong support group leads individuals to spend their time constantly reinventing themselves.

post #85 of 146

I feel as if deconstructing that article is also a hit piece along with most every article i have read about "non-Vaccinated" people saying that the government and large pharma companies are just out to get you and only want to make money. Something that should be considered that i have not read anything about is human decency. While the big wigs at these companies are getting rich off the vaccinations the lower level developers and distributors are not they are working men and women, scientists who hold phD's have taken the Hippocratic oath and are truly working day in and day out to help people and rid the world of the worst types of sickness. Even though i know this post will have nothing but being bashed these are my thoughts take them as you will.

post #86 of 146
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I deliberately did not discuss her bipolar issues in the OP, though i did post a link to her YouTube video down thread.

I don't know that those issues should be part of the discussion of her article. Assuming that it's not an Onion-style sarcasm piece, one would think that her article would have been read, researched, and edited by Voices For Vaccines, who published it, right? If they are presenting it as their own Anecdotal-Evidence-That Vaccine-Critics-Are-Crazy-Barbarians, then they must be comfortable with her official diagnosis and medical history, right?

Ethically speaking, though, I don't think it's right to take her medical/mental diagnosis and use it as an excuse to criticize her article.

I do wonder, though, if she's aware of the bipolar/autism link....

http://www.medpagetoday.com/Pediatrics/Autism/33589
MedPage Today, July 2, 2012
Study Links Autism, Bipolar, and Schizophrenia
post #87 of 146
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I feel as if deconstructing that article is also a hit piece along with most every article i have read about "non-Vaccinated" people saying that the government and large pharma companies are just out to get you and only want to make money. Something that should be considered that i have not read anything about is human decency. While the big wigs at these companies are getting rich off the vaccinations the lower level developers and distributors are not they are working men and women, scientists who hold phD's have taken the Hippocratic oath and are truly working day in and day out to help people and rid the world of the worst types of sickness. Even though i know this post will have nothing but being bashed these are my thoughts take them as you will.

Welcome aboard, questionnaire!

I dont think anyone is going to bash your post. Nobody is saying that there aren't scientists who are trying to help people. In fact, the very industry we complain about is the same industry that produces many life saving medications and interventions.

But that's a totally different topic. Please do post it as a separate topic for discussion, in whichever forum you are comfortable ("I'm Not Vaccinating," Selective and Delayed Vaccination," "Vaccination Debate," or "Vaccinating On Schedule").

This thread is specifically discussing an article that consists almost entirely of exaggerations, misunderstandings, and falsehoods, along with not-so-subtly-veiled attacks on people daring to question and criticize a mandated invasive medical procedure.
post #88 of 146
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scientists who hold phD's have taken the Hippocratic oath

  "there is currently no legal obligation for medical students to swear an oath upon graduating"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath

 

It's done purely by choice either of the individual or the institution, and not all use the same oath.  So it's doesn't mean a whole lot if you're not required to do so.  These doctors, taking or not taking these oaths, have every right to question what they are told/taught and not to follow blindly.  The same information available to us is available to them if they so choose to seek it out.  If not? They are just as guilty as the big wigs by not doing due diligence and gathering up info on both sides and coming to a sound conclusion on their own.

post #89 of 146

I think a few newbies are failing to read the forum guidelines.  This subforum is support only for those who are non-vax or thinking of becoming non-vax.  If you are not non-vax, may I suggest you read the guidelines on the vaccine debate board and post there.

 

Guidelines, copy and pasted:

 

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post #91 of 146

after i read this piece yesterday, a pop-up of "similar" links came up below it on Facebook-i linked to it & found a nice little bio about Amy Parker (looked quite legit, as it explained who she was, what she does, some of her experiences in third world countries, her passions of helping cure preventable diseases, a nice picture of her with some children in a foreign land).  she's a disease epidemiologist & has or is working for the CDC.  maybe this could be a different Amy Parker, but it did line up nicely with content of this hit-piece.  so….good job deconstructing this, i had the same responses.  how does one develop from one extreme to the other?  even in my most crusty days as a young mother, i did not partake in even close to the amount of "natural living" that she did!!   keep digging, it's items like this that just piss me off & i'm a "limited" vaccinator, although in being a young mother at the time, a few of those vaccinations were administered with items that i did not want my children to receive (tdap instead of tetanus only-one got bit by a dog & one got a small piece of metal in his eye).   it's about choice, information, etc…has nothing to do with "seeing children suffer" or "selfishness", it's quite the opposite.  i want every parent to have the choice to refuse, to spread out, to wait, whatever they find fits in with their philosophy & family.

post #92 of 146

I read the article a few days ago and was like, this is such crap. I want people to know! Thank you for all this research. Well done and WELL SAID.

post #93 of 146
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I never even thought of that!  If anyone can find out for sure, please post!

Find out about the holy basil, or something else?
If it's the holy basil, here's one article: http://www.downtoearth.org.in/content/tulsi-fights-fluorosis
Hope that helps!

post #94 of 146
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Find out about the holy basil, or something else?
If it's the holy basil, here's one article: http://www.downtoearth.org.in/content/tulsi-fights-fluorosis
Hope that helps!

Oh, I meant, if someone could find out whether there was actually a known way to filter fluoride from tap water, back when Amy Parker was a child.  Or even 18 years ago, when she says she was "a concerned 19-year-old mother."  

post #95 of 146

Well according to their website, berkey filtration systems weren't available til the late 90's and there is a separate filter for the fluoride, doesn't  say when that came about.  So unless any others were on the market earlier I'd say probably not.

post #96 of 146
It's possible but highly unlikely that she herself or people she knows well could all have had suffered those predicaments.

Who tells children under seven that they might have cancer?

That article manipulative. What a turd.
post #97 of 146
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Originally Posted by questionare View Post

 
scientists who hold phD's have taken the Hippocratic oath
  "there is currently no legal obligation for medical students to swear an oath upon graduating"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath

It's done purely by choice either of the individual or the institution, and not all use the same oath.  So it's doesn't mean a whole lot if you're not required to do so.  These doctors, taking or not taking these oaths, have every right to question what they are told/taught and not to follow blindly.  The same information available to us is available to them if they so choose to seek it out.  If not? They are just as guilty as the big wigs by not doing due diligence and gathering up info on both sides and coming to a sound conclusion on their own.

Also, PhD-holding scientists have never taken the Hippocratic oath. The Hippocratic oath is for medical doctors who begin practice with an undergrad or postgrad Bachelor of medicine/bachelor of surgery. Very few medical doctors go on to get PhDs compared with scientists, who almost all go on to PhD level study.
post #98 of 146
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Welcome, mimime38157, JenniferKS, Nathaniel, sojournermom, and meganlauriana!

post #99 of 146
One thing that struck me about the original article is how much it reminded me of a religious testimony at some bioevangelist tent revival: "Oh, Lord have mercy, I was a sinner! I was involved in all kinds of evil--homeopathy, herbal teas, natural childbirth, organic vegetable gardening ... I hung around filthy houses of ill-repute like yoga studios, While Foods, and raw milk speakeasies. Then I found Jesus and started vaccinating on schedule, obeying my doctor, and eating processed foods. Now I'm healthy and saaaaaaaved! Can I get an AMEN?!"

Seriously, what a bizarre little culture war we have ensuing these days.

Congratulations, Taxi! This thread has gone viral throughout the Interwebs. joy.gif
post #100 of 146

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