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post #161 of 185
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Do you know where I can get more information on this?

http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2010/06/30/vaccination-causes-autism-%e2%80%93-say-us-government-merck%e2%80%99s-director-of%c2%a0vaccines/

 

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People who are pre-disposed to have a mitochondrial dysfunction can develop autistic conditions following vaccination.  The current President of Merck’s Vaccines Division, Julie Gerberding confirmed to CBS News when she was Director of the US Centres for Disease Control that:

….. if you’re predisposed with the mitochondrial disorder, it can certainly set off some damage. Some of the symptoms can be symptoms that have characteristics of autism.

post #162 of 185
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You are all awesome. I will check out all those links later this afternoon.

post #163 of 185

I thought of a reply that is relevant to your question, Lauren. Please bear with me, because it is a bit scatterbrained!

 

* Someone with mitochondrial disease might develop autism.

* Vaccines might trigger autism in certain individuals with mitochondrial disorders

* For those who are unvaccinated, what might have caused their autism?

* Is it possible they had some type of mitochondrial disorder, and something other than vaccines triggered the autism?

 

So, what causes mitochondrial damage and disease? This is interesting:

Medication-induced mitochondrial damage and disease

 
medications damage mitochondria to create their occasionally fatal adverse effects 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18626887

 

Here's another:

 

Mitochondrial diseases are caused by defects in mitochondria, the cell's energy plants. Malfunctions in mitochondria lead to multi-systemic defects in the brain, heart, muscles, kidney and endocrine and respiratory systems. The many possible clinical symptoms include loss of motor control, muscle weakness, heart disease, diabetes, respiratory problems, seizures, vision and hearing problems, diabetes and developmental delays.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/08/130829123442.htm

 

Bactericidal Antibiotics Induce Mitochondrial Dysfunction and Oxidative Damage in Mammalian Cells

http://stm.sciencemag.org/content/5/192/192ra85.abstract


Edited by BeckyBird - 1/25/14 at 9:09am
post #164 of 185

I am a homeopath in practice for 22 years now. I have treated dozens and dozens of children on the autistic spectrum and yes, with some children the trigger was one or more vaccinations, but with others it was not. Autism is like any other disease, first there is the predisposition and susceptibility and then there is the trigger. That trigger is different for every one and at times there are more than one. That being said, the majority of the children I have treated did have complications from vaccinations. If you consider autism as an autoimmune disease you can then start to understand the gut connection as well as food sensitivities and allergies that are often a huge part of the imbalance.

post #165 of 185

Welcome, aboard sawrshom!

 

What are some of the other common triggers of autism that you have seen in your practice, besides for vaccinations?  And how do you treat them?

post #166 of 185

Maybe it isn't about vaccines/no-vaccines, but about brain inflammation.  Brain inflammation is noticed  after vaccinations in babies by the high-pitched crying (cri encephalique - pardon the lack of French font).  Some vaccines seem to provoke this reaction more than others, and some infants are more susceptible than others.

 

Vaccines aren't the only cause of brain inflammation.  Homeopaths recognize that suppression of fevers - giving acetaminophen, for example - may "push" the inflammation deeper.  Antibiotics may also contain acetaminophen. So suppressive medical treatment may provide a path towards brain inflammation.

 

We are in our 3rd generation of mass immunizations.  Often, parents notice symptoms in themselves that are autism-like.  Maybe this susceptibility is passed to children who need less to push them into autism.

 

Those are my thoughts.

 

Ruth Pearson Smith

post #167 of 185
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Maybe it isn't about vaccines/no-vaccines, but about brain inflammation.  Brain inflammation is noticed  after vaccinations in babies by the high-pitched crying (cri encephalique - pardon the lack of French font).  Some vaccines seem to provoke this reaction more than others, and some infants are more susceptible than others.

 

Vaccines aren't the only cause of brain inflammation.  Homeopaths recognize that suppression of fevers - giving acetaminophen, for example - may "push" the inflammation deeper.  Antibiotics may also contain acetaminophen. So suppressive medical treatment may provide a path towards brain inflammation.

 

We are in our 3rd generation of mass immunizations.  Often, parents notice symptoms in themselves that are autism-like.  Maybe this susceptibility is passed to children who need less to push them into autism.

 

Those are my thoughts.

 

Ruth Pearson Smith

I have quite often thought that were I a child today and not 30, I would very likely be on the spectrum for a variety of reasons.  I am particularly sensitive to not just vaccinations but pharmaceuticals in general and thus avoid them whenever possible.  After seeing my DD react with screams following her DTaP at  2 and 5 mos we stopped, and I sought the help of a homeopath to help her recover.  She has some lingering gut issues but we learned early on what foods to avoid.  It's my hope that she doesn't develop the debilitating migraines I was plagued with most of my life (from about 12 yrs old) that only recently I've figured out the dietary measures needed to eliminate them (or at least significantly reduce).

 

It's actually a pattern that's been known to animal breeders for quite some time - as generations reproduce, there is more occurrence of autoimmune disorders among those lines. As a result may have changed vaccination protocols for puppies to reverse the problem and reduce the incidence of auto-immune disorders that have become common among certain breeds.  The rabies challenge fund is a great example of how the people can come forward to challenge vaccines and make real changes.  There are 2 vaccines in the study, the first one just passed the 5yr mark, and it is hoped that boosters can be moved from the current 3yr time frame to 5 and eventually 7.  Also in the works is an official rabies titer testing - currently there are no acceptable serum levels for animals, just humans.  Imagine if we actually studied duration of vaccine antibodies in humans I mean really studied) and used that information to personalize vaccination schedules or titered before insisting on boosters?!

 

http://www.rabieschallengefund.org/latest/summary-of-the-rabies-challenge-fund-duration-of-immunity-study

 

Sort of bring is back to the autistic fish - as a dog trainer I see dogs who have clearly changed behaviorally after vaccination, most cases after rabies as it's the single most reactive vaccine given to animals.  Are we seeing similar neurological issues in animals? Absolutely and the GI issues are present as well.  There was a study done about fly biting and excessive licking behaviors in dogs that concluded GI issues were at the base of these behaviors.  The cause of the GI issues wasn't looked into - they were treated and given probiotics and most of the behaviors simply disappeared.  http://www.annarbor.com/pets/els-excessive-licking-of-surfaces-dogs-canines-study-gi-gastrointestinal-disorder-illness/  Fly biting for those who don't know is the doggie equivalent to a tic - dogs bite at the air often tuning out everything around them.  Are these dogs autistic?  Might be an interesting study to see, especially considering the sorter lifespan making it easier to track multiple generations.

post #168 of 185

Most of the triggers tend to be medical intervention of some sort. Too many ultra sounds, mother getting a Rhogam shot at 28 weeks, the use of Tylenol, anesthesia, the use of drugs during birth or a very difficult birth......it can go on and on. What I know to be most common however is that one of the parents or grandparents will typically have an autoimmune disease setting up the predisposition in the child. As the child's immune system starts to mature is when we typically start to see the problems arise. I think the over use of medication and the suppression of diseases over time has contributed to the dysfunction of the immune systems in our children today. Vaccinations do create immunity, but it is a dysfunctional immunity, and as the population has been vaccinated over generations it has created an accumulative affect.

post #169 of 185

Certainly, we can see the same reactions in animals to vaccines.  Christina Chambreaux is a veterinary homeopath who has talked about this.

 

Also, Lawrence Palevsky's (spelling?) lectures provided a very understandable explanation of how injecting pathogens directly into the body can create the auto-immune responses that are so prevalent among children.  Kate Birch (http://vaccinefree.wordpress.com/) has gone through the history of vaccine ingredients which she correlates to allergies to eggs, peanuts, and auto-immune issues.

 

There's a lot of information out there.

 

Ruth

post #170 of 185

Most conscientious breeders will not vaccinate a b*tch in estrus or while pregnant.  

 

If a vet is honest with you, they will not give more than one vax at a time nor vax in the neck since tumors typically grow at the vax site. 

 

A veterinary professor in Wisconsin I think publishes many articles about vacciosis. 

 

http://www.charlesloopsdvm.com/articles/vaccinosis

post #171 of 185

Dr Patricia Jordan, is probably one of the most outspoken vets against vaccination. She authored the book Mark of the Beast: Hidden in Plain Sight (I haven't read it), and has written some excellent articles for Dogs Naturally Magazine. 

 

http://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/dr-patricia-jordan-vaccine-insights-webinar/

post #172 of 185
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Most conscientious breeders will not vaccinate a b*tch in estrus or while pregnant.  

 

If a vet is honest with you, they will not give more than one vax at a time nor vax in the neck since tumors typically grow at the vax site. 

 

A veterinary professor in Wisconsin I think publishes many articles about vacciosis. 

 

http://www.charlesloopsdvm.com/articles/vaccinosis

 

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Originally Posted by sassyfirechick View Post
 

http://www.rabieschallengefund.org/latest/summary-of-the-rabies-challenge-fund-duration-of-immunity-study

 

Sort of bring is back to the autistic fish - as a dog trainer I see dogs who have clearly changed behaviorally after vaccination, most cases after rabies as it's the single most reactive vaccine given to animals.  Are we seeing similar neurological issues in animals? Absolutely and the GI issues are present as well.  There was a study done about fly biting and excessive licking behaviors in dogs that concluded GI issues were at the base of these behaviors.  The cause of the GI issues wasn't looked into - they were treated and given probiotics and most of the behaviors simply disappeared.  http://www.annarbor.com/pets/els-excessive-licking-of-surfaces-dogs-canines-study-gi-gastrointestinal-disorder-illness/  Fly biting for those who don't know is the doggie equivalent to a tic - dogs bite at the air often tuning out everything around them.  Are these dogs autistic?  Might be an interesting study to see, especially considering the sorter lifespan making it easier to track multiple generations.

I don't want to go real far OT, but for those who do not know - with animals (pets here) you have no way to know exact numbers that have reactions or deaths - most find out about it after the fact (the hard way) and in some cases people first start to learn about "vaccine" with their pets and some really open their eyes up and see the role it plays in humans.

post #173 of 185

What is regressive autism and why does it occur? Is it the consequence of multi-systemic dysfunction affecting the elimination of heavy metals and the ability to regulate neural temperature? by Graham E Ewing
 

This is quite long, and I haven't read it all yet, but so far I am finding it very interesting. The author explores the issues and concludes that sensory dysfunction and systemic failure, manifested as autism, is the inevitable consequence arising from subtle DNA alteration and consequently from the overuse of vaccines, 

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3364648/

post #174 of 185
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What is regressive autism and why does it occur? Is it the consequence of multi-systemic dysfunction affecting the elimination of heavy metals and the ability to regulate neural temperature? by Graham E Ewing
 

This is quite long, and I haven't read it all yet, but so far I am finding it very interesting. The author explores the issues and concludes that sensory dysfunction and systemic failure, manifested as autism, is the inevitable consequence arising from subtle DNA alteration and consequently from the overuse of vaccines, 

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3364648/

 

I read much of this (not every sentence!) and it is one of the most sensible articles I have read in a long time.  A couple of quotes I liked:

 

Increased disease loading is the inevitable consequence of multiple vaccine or lots of single vaccines or triple vaccines e.g. of asthma, autoimmune disease, etc. It suggests that adherence to the vaccine schedule is the problem – too many vaccines, too quickly.  

 

and 

 

It has been considered unethical to select a control group of children which would otherwise not be vaccinated yet such is the levels of conscientious objectors in the industrialized world and through circumstances of impoverishment in the underdeveloped countries that such statistics must currently exist

 

The recommendations in the discussion as the end point to making changes in the schedule so as to reduce overload, vaccinating children later when they are not so sensitive developmentally, etc. 

 

This is the kind of work that should be getting done urgently everywhere!!

post #175 of 185
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Originally Posted by Mirzam View Post
 

What is regressive autism and why does it occur? Is it the consequence of multi-systemic dysfunction affecting the elimination of heavy metals and the ability to regulate neural temperature? by Graham E Ewing
 

This is quite long, and I haven't read it all yet, but so far I am finding it very interesting. The author explores the issues and concludes that sensory dysfunction and systemic failure, manifested as autism, is the inevitable consequence arising from subtle DNA alteration and consequently from the overuse of vaccines, 

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3364648/

Thanks for posting this - long but worth reading!!

post #176 of 185
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This is the kind of work that should be getting done urgently everywhere!!

It's very hard when this is what we are faced with - 

 

 

“A baby’s body is bombarded with immunologic challenges – from bacteria in food to the dust they breathe. Compared to what they typically encounter and manage during the day, vaccines are literally a drop in the ocean.”

post #177 of 185
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Originally Posted by ropeteranon View Post
 

  In one study, health care proffesionals watched videos of babies first birthdays.  They were able to correctly tell which children would develop autism.  Autism seems to show at about 18 months, the same time as the second dose of MMR which is causing people to associate the two.

Except that I have several friends who delayed the MMR who noticed regression afterward, later as in 2 1/2 or 3. How do you explain that? Also, one whose older daughter was vaxxed until age 3 who has much more severe developmental issues than the younger one who was never vaxxed.

post #178 of 185
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Originally Posted by Pookietooth View Post
 

Except that I have several friends who delayed the MMR who noticed regression afterward, later as in 2 1/2 or 3. How do you explain that? Also, one whose older daughter was vaxxed until age 3 who has much more severe developmental issues than the younger one who was never vaxxed.

 

Here is a report of an older child developing autism after rabies shots:  
 

 http://www.amazon.com/Unlocking-Jake-Rabies-Vaccine-Recovery/dp/1604813407

post #179 of 185

The rabies shots contain lots of thimerasol.

post #180 of 185
Taxi--what did you mean by "did the mother recieve Rhogam during her pregnancy?" I understand your dental work question (amalgams causing mercury leaching through the placenta in large amounts) but why Rhogam? It does not contain thimerasol nor any other "bad" preservatives.
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