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post #21 of 27
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 Obviously, my views are very strong for not vaccinating but because of legalities I cannot direct their decision, I can only provide information for them to research. 

... which is the only and the very best thing to do.

 

People live with the decisions that they make.

 

How hard can it be to live with a decision that is made for them or forced on them by social convention or law, and the results are disasterous?

post #22 of 27

I'm seriously sorry that I seem to have taken over this forum. I would really much rather people continue to use this thread as a place to supply references as initially requested. Before I even commented, I started a document and added all the references to look at later. I will definitely start with Dissolving Illusions, but given current time constraints, unless it's a super easy read, it'll probably take me awhile to get through.

 

@Taximom5 and @applejuice, I completely agree that it's very likely the cases of measles have been overestimated, probably throughout history, for a variety of reasons. However, It's not the incidences of measles I care about, it's the deaths. I see what you're saying, Taximom5, about the deviation in the data previous years, but I still think you seem to be writing off information that I can't discount so easily. I do think it would be really great if the data extended, but there are at least 7 data points that lie beyond the error bars established in previous years, even accounting for those years that had big spikes like the 1930's and 1945. That drop off at the end is statistically significant. Maybe there is a good reason why people were dying of measles and it was not being properly diagnosed immediately after the vaccine was introduced, but at the point where someone is so sick that their illness becomes fatal, I would like to believe the medical profession wouldn't screw up that badly. Maybe I'm just optimistic.

 

Again, please, just ignore me. This is obviously something that I need to invest the time in learning more about on my own. I would appreciate more references though from anyone else who happens to know of more good ones.

post #23 of 27
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Originally Posted by researchparent View Post
 

I'm seriously sorry that I seem to have taken over this forum. I would really much rather people continue to use this thread as a place to supply references as initially requested. Before I even commented, I started a document and added all the references to look at later. I will definitely start with Dissolving Illusions, but given current time constraints, unless it's a super easy read, it'll probably take me awhile to get through.

 

@Taximom5 and @applejuice, I completely agree that it's very likely the cases of measles have been overestimated, probably throughout history, for a variety of reasons. However, It's not the incidences of measles I care about, it's the deaths. I see what you're saying, Taximom5, about the deviation in the data previous years, but I still think you seem to be writing off information that I can't discount so easily. I do think it would be really great if the data extended, but there are at least 7 data points that lie beyond the error bars established in previous years, even accounting for those years that had big spikes like the 1930's and 1945. That drop off at the end is statistically significant. Maybe there is a good reason why people were dying of measles and it was not being properly diagnosed immediately after the vaccine was introduced, but at the point where someone is so sick that their illness becomes fatal, I would like to believe the medical profession wouldn't screw up that badly. Maybe I'm just optimistic.

 

Again, please, just ignore me. This is obviously something that I need to invest the time in learning more about on my own. I would appreciate more references though from anyone else who happens to know of more good ones.

 

No, no! I You have not taken over this forum, as far as I can tell!

I'm not writing off the drop in 1955, I'm saying that we can't interpret it as one that's more significant than previous drops, without a lot more information.

We're left with more questions than answers, most of which are unanswerable.

 

I don't think we should ignore you.  I think all of us should keep asking more questions, and discuss possibilities.  That's what this forum is for.

 

That said, in my experience, doctors--and the entire medical system-- DO screw up with fatal results.   You can hope all you want, but it's reality.

post #24 of 27
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@emmy526 I hope you don't think I'm trying to persecute anybody. I fully support a parent's right to choose not to vaccinate their kids. Having young children, I just haven't found the time to sufficiently educate myself on the topic and, without knowing the specifics, personally couldn't justify NOT vaccinating when it came time to vaccinate them. I've read articles saying that there may be a connection with autism, and I cried the first time my newborn son was vaccinated, because it felt like I was taking this huge risk with this precious life I'd just been given. However, until I can fully convince myself the risks are not worth the benefit, I'll continue to vaccinate, which is why I appreciate what @MBHenry is trying to do and why I clicked on this thread to begin with.

 

 

No, i did not feel you were out to persecute anyone...I made those statements based on my own observations both in real life, and online as well.  The rest is my opinion on what  I have witnessed in young drs.  One dr did not know what shingles was when my husband had an outbreak, and sat there in front of my husband, looking it up on her blackberry, because she didn't believe us. 

post #25 of 27

I had horrible hives as a reaction to a drug the doctor gave me and he did not know what it was.

It was penicillin. 

I also woke up in the middle of the night and could not breathe.

I also had a long red line on the bottom of my foot.

He said it was an allergic reaction to cats.

Because this doctor would not document my obvious allergic, life-threatening reaction to penicilliin, everyone questions my honesty about the event.


Edited by applejuice - 1/27/14 at 8:51pm
post #26 of 27
Thread Starter 

I always love a good solid vaccination discussion where people keep their emotions out of it and present facts. I don't think the thread has been hijacked at all - to the contrary, i am loving this discussion:)

 

post #27 of 27

I am just throwing this out there, but linking to the Frequently asked Questions of the HRSA part of the government that pays people for their adverse reactions might be a good thing. Letting them know that it does happen, billions have been paid out and what they need to be looking for would be a good idea.

http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/faq.html

 

How about VAERS: It seems to me most people don't know about this. It has a ton of reports for them to look at on what can happen if they choose to vax as well.

https://vaers.hhs.gov/index

 

I don't want others to feel like we are scaring them, but I think refusing to look at the risk of both sides a lack of knowledge.

 

 

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Those who are brave grow greater.
Never fear, always grow."

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