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Another industry whistleblower--this time, it's for Wyeth's Prevnar vaccine

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http://www.vaccinationinformationnetwork.com/a-former-vaccine-industry-employee-turns-whistleblower/

 

"In reality, I was terminated for my efforts to address and rectify quality compliance failures leading to the adulterated release of vaccine in violation of both FDA consent decree mandates and SEC regulations regarding disclosure. With help from the Government Accountability Project, I brought suit against Wyeth in federal district court for retaliatory discharge in violation of
whistleblower protection provisions of the 2002 Sarbanes-Oxley Act.'

 

More interesting comments here:  http://www.lawyersandsettlements.com/articles/whistleblower/wyeth-00187.html#.UuNFPHn0A1g

 

"Employees who go up against big Pharma can find themselves subjected to a wide variety of retaliatory acts. "Their managers put them on pretextual performance improvement plans and do everything to make the work environment unbearable," Zuckerman reports.

"Whistleblowers also find themselves alienated," he explains, "their coworkers try not to associate with them for fear that management will view them as disloyal."

"My clients," he says, "whose only infraction was committing the truth have found themselves unemployed and suffer permanent damage to career and reputation.""

 

We never heard about any manufacturing quality problems, did we?  But there were many:

"Publicly, Wyeth claimed that the supply was hampered by unspecified production problems. However, many doctors were upset when they learned about the extent of the manufacturing problems that led the shortage and that Wyeth had been cited by the FDA for manufacturing violations again and again in the years before the shortage occurred.

For instance, Wyeth failed to reveal that in 2003, FDA inspectors found so many quality-control failings at the Prevnar packaging plant in Pearl River, NY, that production was shutdown at the site.

Among the many problems listed in FDA reports, inspectors described dirty work areas, sloppy operating procedures, contamination, improper environmental monitoring and insects in a hallway outside the room where vials were filled with the vaccine."

 

And it's not like we're talking about one or two cosmetic problems here.  This is serious stuff.

 

"In one FDA report alone, inspectors identified 59 problems.

In 2001 and 2002, Livingston says he repeatedly reported the violations to the managing director at the plant, an outside auditor, and a quality council of managers and nothing was done to correct the problems."

 

Hmmm.  How many serious adverse events to Prevnar were reported in 2001-2003?

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Interesting. Thanks for sharing this.
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It's not just vaccines. You'd be horrified to see the amount of memos that come across my desk for pharmacy recalls. 

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Yes, rainbownurse, that is very true.  There are recalls for drugs all of the time, but those drugs are not mandated for school attendance and employment and doctors may not chase a patient out of the practice for refusing to take them; if a person is hurt taking those drugs, a person can file a personal injury lawsuit. Vaccines are scheduled, pushed, and mandated for school attendance and now for employment, so vaccines are different, unavoidably unsafe, and a lawsuit can only be hurt in a special federal court overseen by the drug companies.

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Yes, rainbownurse, that is very true.  There are recalls for drugs all of the time, but those drugs are not mandated for school attendance and employment and doctors may not chase a patient out of the practice for refusing to take them; if a person is hurt taking those drugs, a person can file a personal injury lawsuit. Vaccines are scheduled, pushed, and mandated for school attendance and now for employment, so vaccines are different, unavoidably unsafe, and a lawsuit can only be hurt in a special federal court overseen by the drug companies.

Don't you believe your children are at risk of disease? Or your community?

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My children are adults.

 

Do you have any one disease in mind that you are concerned about?

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Don't you believe your children are at risk of disease? Or your community?

 

 

 

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My children are adults.

 

Do you have any one disease in mind that you are concerned about?


That is also my response.   Saying "risk of disease" sounds so...paranoid.  There are many, many diseases for which there are no vaccines, and for which we are all contagious even before we display symptoms.  Many of the diseases for which there are vaccines are mild in the vast majority of those who contract them.    Some diseases for which there are vaccines are not easily contagious in typical contact--they require transmission of body fluid, or exposure to tainted feces.

Being overly concerned about germs can actually result in more illness, not less: 

 
Rather than getting obsessed about avoiding germ exposure, perhaps we should spend more resources on learning which subgroups are more at risk, why they are, and what can be done besides invasive procedures to help avoid complications.

We know some things already, like vitamin deficiency increases the risk of complications for both disease AND for vaccination.  Unfortunately, this knowledge is not put to good use.
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My children are adults.



 



Do you have any one disease in mind that you are concerned about?

 



Did you chose to vaccinate your children when they were young? I meant any concern over vaccine-preventable diseases, not one in particular.
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Did you chose to vaccinate your children when they were young? I meant any concern over vaccine-preventable diseases, not one in particular.

 

This wasn't address to me, but I will answer. I have two completely unvaccinated teens. I was never concerned about vaccine available diseases when they were babies. Do you have any understanding of the infant immune system and the role breast feeding plays in its development? Besides that, I have had all the self-limiting, childhood diseases and survived them all quite nicely, as did my siblings and every other kid I knew. This was in the UK.

 

ETA: I should also add these children have never required a sick visit to the doctor, have never had ear infections, required antibiotics for any bacterial infection, nor do they have allergies or auto immune issues, learning difficulties or behavioral problems.

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I was never vaccinated, so why would I vaccinated my own children?

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That is also my response.   Saying "risk of disease" sounds so...paranoid.  There are many, many diseases for which there are no vaccines, and for which we are all contagious even before we display symptoms.  Many of the diseases for which there are vaccines are mild in the vast majority of those who contract them.    Some diseases for which there are vaccines are not easily contagious in typical contact--they require transmission of body fluid, or exposure to tainted feces.

Being overly concerned about germs can actually result in more illness, not less: 

 



"Mild in the vast majority of cases" may be true, but it ignores the numbers of people who are hospitalised, permanently damaged or die as a result. These victims weren't necessarily from any of the subgroups you mention. As an anecdotal example, my brother contracted hep A in Indonesia and was ill for more than 12 months. I can assure you he was fit, healthy and as always enjoyed excellent nutrition.

Describing my question as "paranoid" when you write on so many of your posts that we cannot trust the data, the organisations or the professionals seems a bit rich.

Your response also assumes that I'm "overly concerned about germs" which is untrue. If my daughter were not fully vaccinated I would be concerned.
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This wasn't address to me, but I will answer. I have two completely unvaccinated teens. I was never concerned about vaccine available diseases when they were babies. Do you have any understanding of the infant immune system and the role breast feeding plays in its development? Besides that, I have had all the self-limiting, childhood diseases and survived them all quite nicely, as did my siblings and every other kid I knew. This was in the UK.

 

ETA: I should also add these children have never required a sick visit to the doctor, have never had ear infections, required antibiotics for any bacterial infection, nor do they have allergies or auto immune issues, learning difficulties or behavioral problems.

 



I'm very pleased to hear your happy story Mirzam. It is very rare to be so blessed with such good health.

I come from a different experience as my mother is a consultant paedeatrician and growing up would often talk about the vaccine-preventable diseases affecting the area. She is one of a few doctors on call in our area to respond to child deaths. Often these occur through accident, sometimes abuse and neglect and sometimes from preventable disease.

Yes I do have an understanding of the infant immune system and the role of breast-feeding. Breast-feeding is awesome.
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I was never vaccinated, so why would I vaccinated my own children?

 



Do you and your children mix much with other people?
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"Mild in the vast majority of cases" may be true, but it ignores the numbers of people who are hospitalised, permanently damaged or die as a result. These victims weren't necessarily from any of the subgroups you mention. As an anecdotal example, my brother contracted hep A in Indonesia and was ill for more than 12 months. I can assure you he was fit, healthy and as always enjoyed excellent nutrition.

Describing my question as "paranoid" when you write on so many of your posts that we cannot trust the data, the organisations or the professionals seems a bit rich.

Your response also assumes that I'm "overly concerned about germs" which is untrue. If my daughter were not fully vaccinated I would be concerned.

 

You mean like the the only person that died of measles in Wales? I believe he was sent home from the hospital, and told to take Panadol (acetaminophen) which is a really bad idea if you have measles. He should have been given vitamin A.

 

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He was said to be vulnerable to infection as he had begun a detox two weeks before his death after suffering from alcohol problems. 

Consultant pathologist Dr Maurizio Brotto said at 5ft 8in, Mr Colfer-Williams was 'very underweight' weighing just 7st 7lbs.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2352740/Father-died-measles-South-Wales-outbreak-inoculated-disease-child.html#ixzz2sOh0bfeg 
 

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No, Rexeldexel, we live on a remote island in a cave.

 

What is the matter with you? Where are you going with this line of questioning? You are deliberately being extremely rude and arrogant.

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I'm very pleased to hear your happy story Mirzam. It is very rare to be so blessed with such good health.

I come from a different experience as my mother is a consultant paedeatrician and growing up would often talk about the vaccine-preventable diseases affecting the area. She is one of a few doctors on call in our area to respond to child deaths. Often these occur through accident, sometimes abuse and neglect and sometimes from preventable disease.

Yes I do have an understanding of the infant immune system and the role of breast-feeding. Breast-feeding is awesome.

 

I am no more blessed than anyone else with a modicum of good sense.

 

Can you please explain what you know about the infant immune system and why breastfeeding is vital for its proper development.

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No, Rexeldexel, we live on a remote island in a cave.

 

What is the matter with you? Where are you going with this line of questioning? You are deliberately being extremely rude and arrogant.

I really am not sure you live in the UK Rexeldexel because the country you describe is nothing like the country I grew up in and know and love. I live in the US now but my entire family are still in England.

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You mean like the the only person that died of measles in Wales? I believe he was sent home from the hospital, and told to take Panadol (acetaminophen) which is a really bad idea if you have measles. He should have been given vitamin A.

 



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2352740/Father-died-measles-South-Wales-outbreak-inoculated-disease-child.html#ixzz2sOh0bfeg 
 

I was not referring to measles in particular, but if you would like to continue to only discuss measles in order to ignore the other vaccine-preventable diseases that can cause damage or kill, that is your choice. 

 

These are the vaccinations my daughter has had or will be having. She is nearly 7 so you can see where we are upto. :)

 

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/vaccinations/Pages/vaccination-schedule-age-checklist.aspx

 

measles can kill      http://www.hpa.org.uk/webw/HPAweb&HPAwebStandard/HPAweb_C/1195733835814

so can diptheria      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1018763/Unvaccinated-child-diphtheria-death-14-years.html

and pertussis     http://www.eurosurveillance.org/ViewArticle.aspx?ArticleId=20414

and tetanus       http://ceaccp.oxfordjournals.org/content/6/3/101.full

 

I won't bore you with the others, but they kill too. 

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I really am not sure you live in the UK Rexeldexel because the country you describe is nothing like the country I grew up in and know and love. I live in the US now but my entire family are still in England.

 

@Apple juice: I only meant that the risk with not vaccinating is if a vaccine preventable disease enters the community you are vulnerable to it, and the community is also more vulnerable to it.

 

If you live a secluded life in an area of low disease without many people visiting or leaving the area, the disease risk will be lower. 

 

I live a very active lifestyle with my daughter. I commute between uk cities and we travel internationally. My work causes me to come into contact with many people from many different walks of life and my daughter is always mixing with different groups of people too. In our circumstance I couldn't imagine choosing not to vaccinate. I didn't know about your circumstance so I asked. 

 

@Mirzam: I didn't describe the UK so I don't understand your comment. If you mean my description of my mum's experience, please just google child deaths in the uk. She looks after a large area. It's not that the UK is awful, it's that children die regularly even in 1st world countries. Very sad :( Even when my granny died, my mum couldn't stop to grieve until the following day as she had just had a call about an unexpected child death. :'(

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I am no more blessed than anyone else with a modicum of good sense.

 

Can you please explain what you know about the infant immune system and why breastfeeding is vital for its proper development.

I'm sure it takes more a "modicum of good sense" to avoid infections. Plenty of mothers are highly intelligent and sensible and their children still have had mild to severe health problems.

 

If you create a starting point for a conversation about infant immunity and breast milk (perhaps in another thread) that might help me to understand which aspects you are particularly interested in discussing :)

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