Originally Posted by Mirzam You do realize we are made up of more microbes than human cells and that we couldn't survived with out our microbiome? It might be useful if you could explain your understanding of 'diseases' because it appears we are light years apart in our understanding of health and healing. So at this point, I can't see that I can waste any more of my time discussing this with you.One last question, how is it my children have survived if all these horrible pathogens are waiting around every corner to strike them down. Them being unvaccinated and all?
Originally Posted by BeckyBird
I think I understand what's going on here........Rexeldexel must have heard that many non-vaccinating parents in the USA are claiming religious waivers. Naturally, this means that they are all religious and ignorant of science, right?
Newsflash: A person can believe in God, and still understand science. Do you know there is a concept called "theistic evolution"?
I'm not speaking for anybody else, and I'm not judging anybody's faith. I just want you to know that you are misinformed about the majority of non-vaccinating Americans. I'm curious as to where you found your information.
I'm not talking about a religious belief. Evolution is basic science, as is the theory of gravity. I agree that many religious people *believe* in evolution and I absolutely disagree that religious people are ignorant of science. For example, my local CofE priest (and good friend) gave me Richard Dawkin's book The Greatest Show on Earth and my parents (a medic and a science academic) are both religious. This is certainly not an exhaustive list of all the religious and scientific people I know, and they are not all from the same religious backgrounds. Even the pope accepts evolution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_evolution
. Evolutionary theory and religious belief are not (necessarily) in conflict. I certainly do not have problem with people holding religious beliefs UNLESS the religious doctrine prevents the education of children in sound science. If the kids don't need the science, fine. But what if they grow up and want to make an informed decision about vaccination? If they have NOT been allowed to learn a basic principle of biology they are seriously disadvantaged when they try to look through the papers and articles and advice that is available. I'm sorry if this offends you.
I've never heard of religious waivers beckybird.
Apple juice: Evolution has been operating for long time before the american continent was even formed, let alone the constitution.
Mirzam: Are you thinking I'm afraid of microbes? Of course I'm aware that our bodies have a rich flora of bacteria and that this is necessary and desirable. Do you know WHY microbes "want" to live in our bodies?
Your children have survived for many reasons which will include genetics, diet, exposure to toxins, I won't make an exhaustive list. Firstly "horrible pathogens" are not "waiting around every corner to strike them down". This would imply some sort of purpose or intent. Actually, what our immune systems consider as "horrible" changes over time because our immunity adapts to changing pathogens, and vice versa. This IS evolution.