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post #21 of 36
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I'm really glad I didn't read any of the bad comments on here. It probably would've broken my already wounded heart. Thanks. 

post #22 of 36
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Also, we just got in the sodium ascorbate and we will be starting that regimen. It was stinkin' out of stock when I ordered it so it took a minute to get here. 

 

My husband and I read the article and he got even ANGIER! but in a totally good way. 

 

He couldn't believe doctors wouldn't tell us of this natural way to help our boys sickness along. He gets really fired up when there is something natural and sensitive that can help ease the symptoms of pertussis and yet we weren't told anything about it. He then said he really wished there was a naturopath in our area. !!!

 

Our boy has been doing okay. It is most definitely whooping cough. He coughs much less now but when he coughs its severe. He manages it very, very well. We have been making sure to keep his nose clear as much as possible and get whatever mucus he coughs up, out. We try to keep him from getting overly exerted but he's ten months now and starting to walk. He gets excited and them climbs things and laughs and coughs. He's seriously such a good sport. He'll be coughing and reaching for a toy and as soon as its over he's laughing and playing. Nights have been really rough.

 

I can't wait to see how the sodium ascorbate helps his cough. We hate watching him cough and not being able to help him but to know that his immune system will be built correctly and that his natural immunity will keep him from getting sick for 20-30 YEARS really helps us look at the long term. 

 

My husband wanted me to tell you thank you for your help, for your encouragement. We are first time parents so we are scared and gun-shy. It's hard to know what the "right thing" is and to not look at the other "greener grass" side. He also wanted me to tell you that he's happy you didn't rip him apart for freaking out. All of the stories and videos of pertusis really scared the pants off of him and our boy is the light of our life. Having anything happen to him just feels like we are going to unravel. It's an amazing/scary/funny thing, being a parent. :)

 

I'll keep updating for anyone who might stumble upon this thread. I hope it helps them like you guys have helped us! LOVE this community!!!

post #23 of 36

Thank you for the update, it is good to here your DS is soldering on, before you know it he will be all better, and this will be a distant memory! You need to understand that this information is suppressed and your doctor likely has no idea, and even if he had heard that vitamin C is a treatment for whooping cough, you think with his medical programming training he is going accept that reality? Being new parents is scary, and while it does get better, it isn't always easy. The best advice I have for you is trust your heart, and follow what you heart is telling you.

post #24 of 36

I'm so glad things are looking up for you guys!

Yay for letting his immune system do it's job!

post #25 of 36

My family had pertussis last spring--all five kids, including me and my firstborn, who both had the full vaccine course.  My husband started antibiotics as soon as he became symptomatic and never went full-blown.  It was a challenging illness because it goes on so long and because of the harassment some people feel justified in heaping on...you are risking your child's life...risking my child's life...etc.  My husband's family was particularly hard on him.  Not fun.  After we finally un-quarantined ourselves and started going out into the world, I was amazed that everywhere I went I heard people around us with whooping cough.  I knew the signs and symptoms and was watching for them and put the house under quarantine as soon as I was reasonably sure, while most of the town was out walking around, sharing germs!  We went to two doctors who failed to diagnose it and my husband practically had to twist the arm of the third to get him to perform the test.  He actually signed a document stating that it was not whooping cough and that my son could attend camp.  He politely requested that we not send him to camp after the results returned positive.  It was a stunning experience in more ways than one.

Anyhow, things that helped: 

Lobelia.  Azure Standard has a great glycerine tincture (Rhea's) that would stop or even prevent a coughing fit if given quickly.  My five-yr-old could tell when a fit was coming on (she would say she felt "bubbles" in her throat) and I'd give it to her and she wouldn't cough!  Unfortunately, she was the only one that was that aware...  The little ones (2 and 5) needed about a dropperful at a time and the olders (8, 10, 13) took two or three.  It's mild enough that after the first couple of times I didn't need to mix it with any water.

(These next two are from my friend whose family caught it after we did.)

Watch the clock.  She said that her kids' coughs came on a REALLY regular basis--right around an hour for most of them.  This will help if you're trying to head off a coughing fit because in between fits, you really feel fine after the first couple of days and they can catch you unawares.  I sure wish I'd noticed this.  In retrospect it seems dead on...

Turmeric.  She said this was great and really helped get everyone healed up.  Finding a way to feed it to a ten-month-old could be a bit of a challenge but she said it was really worth the effort to get her kids to take it.

Vitamin C.  I had another friend whose family had it who swore by this.  Other posts talk about this one.

 

You guys are nearly there!  Watch funny movies, stay positive, all that good stuff.  Your little boy will come through this stronger and more resilient and with some great antibodies.  Among other things, a good case of whooping cough is supposed to greatly reduce the chance of developing asthma.  Yay! 

Kind thoughts and wishes sent your way!

 

https://www.azurestandard.com/shop/product/2293/  (Rhea's lobelia, there's also a Rhea's site if you want to order directly)

post #26 of 36

I am hopeful that the SA will help and second the Lobelia.



 



Did you see this?



 



http://www.mothering.com/community/t/1396342/whooping-cough-questions-weve-just-had-it



 



Might interest you as well.

post #27 of 36

I am not going to add any debate because I am on the other side of the fence from you. I am here to offer support for your child who has pertussis. I am glad you took him to the doctor and got the antibiotics. I am a peds RN and I work on a floor where most of the pertussis babies are sent. The antibiotics will stop the bacteria from multiplying, however they release a toxin that stays in the airway for up to three months (thus the name 100 day cough). The toxins will paralyze the cilia in the lungs that normally move mucous, dust, and other debris out of the airway, which is why a baby has a hard time clearing that out and why they cough so hard and drool and salivate and all that. I just wanted to educate you on what to expect with the possible duration of the illness, and to encourage you to take him in for regular checkups during this process so the pediatrician can monitor him. Watch for wet diapers and make sure he's getting enough to drink and eat. You can google signs of dehydration. Also watch for sustained fast breathing rate of more than 60 breaths per minute. If he turns blue around the mouth-- even if he recovers afterwards-- please take him in. Some babies/toddlers/children do okay with pertussis and others have a hard time. Especially because it lasts so long.

Also please keep him away from (anyone really but especially) young babies, people with asthma, and anyone who might be vulnerable with a lowered immune system until the antibiotics are over. I hope he is one of the babies/kids who gets over it without much fuss. As an RN I only see the worst cases and I know that many others make it through okay. Just please keep an eye out for any signs of things getting worse, okay? Good luck, mama!

post #28 of 36
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they release a toxin that stays in the airway for up to three months (thus the name 100 day cough). The toxins will paralyze the cilia in the lungs that normally move mucous, dust, and other debris out of the airway, which is why a baby has a hard time clearing that out and why they cough so hard 

 

Just please keep an eye out for any signs of things getting worse, okay?

 

 

That's what the sodium ascorbate is for--it neutralizes the toxin. I think it's disgusting that mainstream medicine will give antibiotics, but not sodium ascorbate. They won't even tell the parents about it.

 

I'm 100% sure this mom will keep an eye out for any signs of things getting worse. I don't think she needed you to say that.

post #29 of 36
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Alrighty, another update for everyone. 

 

As you know, we did the antibiotics and they literally did nothing visible. Maybe they killed some bad bacteria, but more than likely they just destroyed the good bacteria that all of my (long suffering) pumping has accomplished. Oh well. Live and learn. 

 

We started him on the sodium ascorbate and I won't lie, trying to figure out how much to give him is hard. Its not easy to figure out milligrams without what my husband calls "an expensive drug-dealer scale." The one in our Target doesn't go low enough, so basically we figured, if we were to chop up a 200mg pill really finely (like an aspirin) what would it look like? And we pinch that amount into his bottle. Yeah, its not the best but he hasn't had loose stools so it seems like we did alright. As of now, we are keeping him on the lowest dose that is effective. 

 

I honestly can't even believe how his cough changed. He was not turning red. The whooping sound diminished greatly. It was just a cough. We've been sucking out all that mucus and nasty stuff. The difference is just amazing. Truly. My boy still coughs but it is less violent, less intense. It is wholly manageable and he is able to breathe better.  

 

Not to mention that he is sleeping better, we are sleeping better, and generally our house is just a happier place to be. All because of sodium ascorbate. It seriously astounds me that babies could benefit from this safe and gentle method and yet? Most people don't know about it. So stupid.

 

We should be at the start of the third month around this time, so I'm really hoping for to see complete health by the end of March! Until then we will just keep on keeping on. :)

post #30 of 36
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Originally Posted by meganlauriana View Post
 

 

We started him on the sodium ascorbate and I won't lie, trying to figure out how much to give him is hard. Its not easy to figure out milligrams without what my husband calls "an expensive drug-dealer scale." The one in our Target doesn't go low enough, so basically we figured, if we were to chop up a 200mg pill really finely (like an aspirin) what would it look like? And we pinch that amount into his bottle. Yeah, its not the best but he hasn't had loose stools so it seems like we did alright. As of now, we are keeping him on the lowest dose that is effective. 

 

I honestly can't even believe how his cough changed.

 

The difference is just amazing.

 

Oh, no, it's not supposed to be as difficult as that! On my Nutribiotic sodium ascorbate bottle, it says 1/4 teaspoon equals 1.25 g (1250 mg). Using the 375 mg/kg body weight (or 171 mg per pound of body weight), for a 23 pound baby, that would be 3933 mg per day. So for the Nutribiotic brand, that would be 3/4 (three-fourths) teaspoon per day, divided fairly evenly throughout waking hours.

 

It sounds like you might have been giving him a lot less than that? If so, it's quite possible his symptoms might get even better with an increase in dose.

 

I'm so glad he is doing much better!


Edited by ma2two - 2/12/14 at 11:32am
post #31 of 36
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That's what the sodium ascorbate is for--it neutralizes the toxin. I think it's disgusting that mainstream medicine will give antibiotics, but not sodium ascorbate. They won't even tell the parents about it.

 

I'm 100% sure this mom will keep an eye out for any signs of things getting worse. I don't think she needed you to say that.

 

 I make no apologies about sharing my knowledge and experience. Pertussis is something I have seen a lot of, but as I said I usually see the sickest of the sick. We often get the brought in with these symptoms. There have been deaths and it scares the you-know-what out of me to see a kid that sick. When I get them, they are tired, cannot eat (thus cannot take any meds except by IV), are dehydrated, and need oxygen, deep suctioning, and sometimes intubation because they are so acidotic and exhausted they literally collapse. I work PICU and PICU stepdown. It is traumatizing as a nurse and as a mom to see this, and so I try to educate people to watch their babies and bring them in before it gets that bad. For every one of these there are probably many who are able to stay home and run the coarse without much intervention.

The antibiotics help a lot the sooner they are given and the OP had the presence of mind to take the baby to the doctor as soon as she suspected this. The sooner the antibiotics are given, the less toxins will spread and the sooner the baby can get them out of the system.

post #32 of 36
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 I make no apologies about sharing my knowledge. Pertussis is something I have seen a lot of, but as I said I usually see the sickest of the sick. We often get the brought in with these symptoms. There have been deaths and it scares the you-know-what out of me to see a kid that sick. When I get them, they are tired, cannot eat, are dehydrated, and need oxygen, deep suctioning, and sometimes intubation. For every one of these there are probably many who are able to stay home and run the coarse without much intervention.

Perhaps if parents knew about vitamin C treatment for whooping cough, you would be seeing less very sick children. 

post #33 of 36
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 Perhaps if parents knew about vitamin C treatment for whooping cough, you would be seeing less very sick children. 

You are absolutely correct, but it is easier for them to blame the non-vaccinated than to admit that they have no knowledge of vitamin therapy for children's illnesses.

post #34 of 36
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Originally Posted by Mirzam View Post
 

Perhaps if parents knew about vitamin C treatment for whooping cough, you would be seeing less very sick children.

:yeah

 

No one comes to the non-vax forums looking for fear or reason to question their decisions.  We all know the risks of pertussis - kind of hard to miss all the advertising out there. We're here to lend an ear, a cyber shoulder, or pass on some helpful advice in a positive manner.  If we spent half as much promoting vitamin cures as we do drugs we'd have one hell of a healthy population!

 

Megnlauriana, glad to hear your LO is on the mend!

post #35 of 36
That's so awesome he is doing better!!!
post #36 of 36
Great news that baby is improving! I am amazed by SA.
In case you have not seen these old studies from 1936 and 1937, the results are remarkable for vitamin C treatment in Pertussis cases.
http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/193x/otani-t-klin_wchnschr-1936-v15-n51-p1884-eng.htm
http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/193x/ormerod-mj-etal-canadian_med_assn_j-1937-v37-n2-p134.htm
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