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post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 
So the United States developed this "creepy" yet "necessary" group called the CPS. If you know 100% that you have no sexual abuse problems, no drug addiction problems, major neglect, and no cult-like techniques on a child and other issues that could raise a question about child endangerment or otherwise, then there is a way to get CPS to take 10 steps back and away from your door step.

1. Think about the constitution. Perhaps memorize it.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

2. If a person of that nature calls, makes threats, claims to be a social worker or otherwise state in clear words, "Do you have a warrant for my arrest?" If they do not and they still threaten then they are not obligated or allowed to enter your property. If they do make threats and still enter your home with out a warrant, they are violating Bill or Rights and liable to supreme court trial.

Good luck.
post #2 of 11

I feel like taking that approach instead of assuring them that you're taking care of your children is asking for trouble.

post #3 of 11
Oh, but in many ways the op is right.

I would.not advise (and I dont think she is) ever being snippy.or difficult, but when dealing with such a powerful agency, it is in everyone's best interest to follow due process of law. A warrant is protective, and provides a.specific scope of investigation. It is worth learning your legal rights, and how to nicely require others to respect them. If you do not, then you waive many of them. It's really kind of a scary thing.
post #4 of 11
Thread Starter 
yes, if there is any question or investigation have them talk with spouse or husband as the other eye. And then ask that if they are a public employee to meet on public location.

In the state where I live they stop doing "Surprise investigations" because people were caught unaware in social work investigations and too many good parents were loosing kids and kids were put into foster care for very minimal reason at all. IE. social worker stops by and there happens to be a monopoly game spilled on the floor = piles of trash on floor for weeks and a pile of dishes in the sink = weeks worth of dishes in the sink.

The social investigations are very "exaggerated" to the point where no real parent could meet up to par.
post #5 of 11

This topic tends to get quite heated on MDC, I think reports can get exaggerated but I don't think it's fair to say it happens all the time or as a matter of course. 

I think balance helps... DO know your rights, but if you can give in a little, for example, by allowing them to see the children and that they are not harmed, I think it goes a long way in removing suspicion. Doesn't mean you have to invite them in.  Every situation is going to be different, it will depend on why they were called in the first place.

post #6 of 11

I think I would tell them "I'm sorry, I don't have strangers inside without my husband home, let's make an appointment and you can meet the kids." and "Most likely you are a lovely person, but in case someone isn't I need to use a blanket policy about this." Then if they made an appt I'd have a chance to pick up and scrub a little extra, make sure I've grocery shopped and food isn't running low, and record the whole visit, plus my husband would be around and he can not be intimidated.

post #7 of 11

I am a widow.  I was alone raising my children. 

 

I do not smoke, drink, use drugs, whore around town, or beat or neglect my children, yet I have had more than my own share of visits from these halfwits. 

 

I have a crazy person in my family who makes fraudulent calls to CPS all of the time. CPS never prosecutes people like this, because that is not their job, as they see their job. Unfortunately, I have lots of experience in this arena of parenthood and the government.  I KNOW from experience, for sure that the very worst thing to do is to co-operate with them. Anything is a reason to investigate a family.

 

CPS may be using some common sense in recent years, but since my children are grown, I have dealt with them for a long time.

 

The last time this happened, the situation had nothing to do with me or my home - to tell the truth, none of the visits from CPS involved me, but I was always blamed.  I met the social worker at the door to my home with my male German Shepherd dog tethered on his leash. I told her that my son was not there, that I had nothing to say to her, and if she thought that she had a case, that she could go to court on HER day off, make her case in front of a judge and get a warrant.  UNTIL then, she had no reason to come in my home.   And then I shut the door.

 

The next time I heard from her, was on the phone. She said she wanted to come to the house to meet with me and close the case. I told her sure. I will meet her then.  And I left that day, and locked the house up. She left her card on my gate. I never heard from her again except that I demanded in person papers from her supervisor to verify that the case was closed.

 

ANOTHER time, the crazy person in my family called again, I met the social worker on my front lawn with my male German Shepherd dog and  lots of friends for support. One of my friends had a videocamera and tape recorder running the entire time. I told the social worker that I have nothing to hide and that she should NOT object to the use of a video camera and audio taping because she has nothing to hide either, right?   I told the social worker again that the situation did not happen in my home, was not under my supervision, and she had no reason to come in my home and investigate me and my environs.  She interviewed my son off to the side, which I objected to.  I told her that I wanted a paper from her when she closed the case. I called her supervisor to make sure this happened. 

 

Just remember that even if the social worker comes with a battalion of policemen, you do not have to let them in your home without a warrant. I have learned the hard way. It was very hard, but I learned and I warn all parents to be careful.  Remember what happened to that Russian couple in Sacramento last year. They were smart enough to video tape CPS kidnapping their child....http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/29/im-going-to-grab-your-baby-and-dont-resist-cops-barge-into-cali-parents-home-take-their-baby-after-they-seek-2nd-medical-opinion-and-its-on-video/#
 

As for keeping CPS away during a UC, I suggest that you tell no one or a very select few trusted friends, and have someone on the lookout outside your home during the birth if this is a real concern. Sorry that we live in a world like this.


Edited by applejuice - 2/13/14 at 8:36am
post #8 of 11

I'd like to discuss specific things that could come up if doing an unassisted birth/pregnancy.  Can CPS make a bogus claim that you are somehow being "negligent" by not having a professional attend your birth and pregnancy, for instance.  How would we combat that?  It's our right to choose where and how to birth and be pregnant per law (in my state, CA, it is legal to have an unattended birth but that might not stop CPS from claiming some silly thing like I'm not seeking proper medical care for my child, etc...).  I'm not planning to give my baby any of the typical meds/vaccines after the birth.  I *might* see about taking my baby for a newborn visit to a midwife but I honestly feel like my baby, if born healthy, doesn't need to see a professional to be weighed and looked over.  I plan to see a particular midwife after the birth anyways because of a breastfeeding issue ALL my children have had (they bite down - ouch) and I'd LOVE to avoid it somehow this time so maybe I can also bring baby in at that time too.  I guess I just feel un-easy, as I've seen some cases in recent news where child(ren) are removed for "medical neglect" type stuff.  

post #9 of 11

The biggest thing in UC would be to not share your plans or birth story with all and sundry, even family sometimes needs to stay out of the loop. The majority of people will be uncomfortable with it and somebody might call in a complaint. Then they must do an investigation. It kind of seems like it is all subjective from there, the course of action depending the opinion of the social worker, judges, and doctors they might consult about it. The more things look on the up and up the better if they do check you out, but tread the line of standing for your rights and being cooperative carefully and keep them honest with evidence.

post #10 of 11
We haven't done a uc, but are far enough from the mainstream that we have decided it is our best interests to make sure our family has high visibility. We have the kids seen by various professionals and other people so that we have a slew of references if ever required. I would hate to be accused of something and have no one to cooberate our lifestyle and parenting.
post #11 of 11

Good idea. That is what I meant by support.

 

*corroborate* - http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/corroborate

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