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post #1 of 57
Thread Starter 

I've seen people commenting in other threads/groups about homeopathic vaccines/nosodes. I haven't been able to find tons of research about them, anyone else heard of them? Do people who don't vax use them? or do they consider them prophylactic and not useful?

post #2 of 57
Isn't that just a placebo injection - homeopathy being substances so watered down that not even a single molecule of the so called active ingredient remains?

I have not heard of them being used, but these days nothing would surprise me.
post #3 of 57
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Originally Posted by prosciencemum View Post

Isn't that just a placebo injection - homeopathy being substances so watered down that not even a single molecule of the so called active ingredient remains?

I have not heard of them being used, but these days nothing would surprise me.

prosciencemum, IRC, I have told you before that homeopathic nosodes are not administered via injection, ergo they are not placebo injections. It was nice of you to reply to this post which appears was ignored, but......

post #4 of 57
Thread Starter 

they're not injected? everything I read said they were injected...baby is sleeping, so off to google we go

post #5 of 57
We delayed vax so not quite the same thing but no, we would not use homeopathic alternatives. It seems that there is some evidence for homeopathy in the treatment of certain conditions but I have seen no evidence that it is an effective alternative to mainstream vaccination.
post #6 of 57
Whether they are injected or in pill form, they're placebos.
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Whether they are injected or in pill form, they're placebos.

In YOUR opinion. 

post #8 of 57

This conversation reminded me of this video.  Pretty funny. 

 

post #9 of 57
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Originally Posted by Mirzam View Post

In YOUR opinion. 

They are sugar pills. Unless you're hypoglycemic, they're placebos.
post #10 of 57
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Originally Posted by Katie8681 View Post
 
They are sugar pills. Unless you're hypoglycemic, they're placebos.

 

 

If that is what you choose to believe, fair enough. But is only your opinion, based on the limited amount of information you have chosen to accept as real. 

post #11 of 57
Spend your money however you like smile.gif but it's bogus.
post #12 of 57
I don't know anything really about the immunizations but, Homeopathic remedies are actually a vibration. Think of when a guitar is tuned properly, you can strum one string and the rest vibrate. Homeopathics work similarly
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Spend your money however you like smile.gif but it's bogus.

In YOUR opinion..... we could go on and on.......

post #14 of 57
I actually taught homeopathy in a Naturopathic University. They are amazing when you find the right remedy for a person. We use them extensively in Midwifery. However, nosodes are not actually classical homeopathy. Homeopathy is meant to stimulate the body to heal itself, not cause an immunogenic response like a vaccine. I personally wouldn't use nosodes like vaccines (give them on a schedule to a well child.). I would however give a targeted nosode to a child who was sick with that illness. (Though it's almost impossible to obtain them without a medical license.) I hope that makes sense. I'm sorry people are so skeptical about homeopathy.
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I'm sorry people are so skeptical about homeopathy.

Well of course you are, you at least partly make a living on people not thinking too hard about the theory of homeopathy and how those remedies are made!
post #16 of 57
My cat was teetering on the verge of death (extremely lethargic, shallow, slow breathing). I sent her records over to a holistic vet with a strong knowledge of homeopathy, and had a phone consult in the afternoon. That evening, I picked up two homeopathic a and some flower essences. I paid $75 (we don't need to talk about how much I paid the other vets. Add a couple zeros.) I gave her a dose as soon as we were home, and by morning she was walking around and eating. Ho-lee CRAP. She hadn't moved in days. She was being kept alive by sub q fluid injections for the last couple weeks. A couple days before, she vomited blood. As soon as we tried homeopathy she made am immediate recovery. No one will ever convince me that was a coincidence. Consulting with an experienced professional is necessary for that kind of dramatic result, course.
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Well of course you are, you at least partly make a living on people not thinking too hard about the theory of homeopathy and how those remedies are made!

Well, I imagine that someone who is skeptical of midwifery could say the same about you. Is this productive? Does it further discussion? What's your point?

Sus
post #18 of 57
I've successfully used homeopathics for strep throat, croup, and when my kids had dental surgery arnica worked so well that we didn't have to use the liquid lortab that was prescribed.
post #19 of 57
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Originally Posted by mama24-7 View Post

Well, I imagine that someone who is skeptical of midwifery could say the same about you. Is this productive? Does it further discussion? What's your point?

Sus

My point is homeopaths are frauds. Homeopathic remedies are sugar pills. And when people tell me that their sugar pills are curing them of illnesses, I am really not inclined to trust their judgment on things like vaccine reactions they claim to have witnessed. The human brain tries to find connections and patterns, even when they do not exist, and homeopathy, as well as say, "treating" viral illnesses with antibiotics, are proof.
post #20 of 57
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Originally Posted by 3LilChunklins View Post

I don't know anything really about the immunizations but, Homeopathic remedies are actually a vibration. Think of when a guitar is tuned properly, you can strum one string and the rest vibrate. Homeopathics work similarly

This in my opinion is an example of saying something scientific sounding to make it sound like it works.

Water does not remember substances which have been removed from it so thoroughly not even a single molecule remains. There are no vibrations. it's just water.

Sometimes people (or cats) get better with no treatment. The placebo effect is also real and documented.
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