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post #41 of 57
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 when people tell me that their sugar pills are curing them of illnesses, I am really not inclined to trust their judgment on things like vaccine reactions they claim to have witnessed

 

The placebo effect is a strange, and very real, phenomenon. If someone was cured by a placebo, they might just be telling the truth. Science is still trying to figure out why this happens. A person could be telling the truth about sugar pill cures AND vaccine reactions. You never know!

 

I'm not implying that homeopathic remedies are placebos. I'm just trying to point out that a person might not be lying if s/he reports a cure from a placebo.

post #42 of 57
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Originally Posted by BeckyBird View Post
 

 

The placebo effect is a strange, and very real, phenomenon. If someone was cured by a placebo, they might just be telling the truth. Science is still trying to figure out why this happens. A person could be telling the truth about sugar pill cures AND vaccine reactions. You never know!

 

 

I'm not implying that homeopathic remedies are placebos. I'm just trying to point out that a person might not be lying if s/he reports a cure from a placebo.

 

The placebo effect merely demonstrates that the body is able to heal itself. And I too am not saying homeopathic remedies are placebos. 

post #43 of 57

I have seen homeopathic remedies work on babies - beings too small to be affected by the placebo effect.  I have seen the same remedy work more than once - thus lessening the likelihood it was a coincidence.  

 

 I doubt my assessment of their condition was based on placebo effect.  I have seen homeopathy not work as well, so it isn't like I expect homeopathy to work.  


Edited by kathymuggle - 2/11/14 at 6:34am
post #44 of 57

The placebo effect is fascinating, and I hope gets studied more. I keep touting Ben Goldacre's "Bad Science", but it clearly had a big impact on my - also has a great discussion of the placebo effect. 

 

I don't remember what Goldacr says about homeopathy, but I'm fairly confident it wouldn't have been complimentary. 

post #45 of 57

Antidepressants and flu shots should be included in discussions of placebo, as they are among the most widely-used medications that are about as effective as placebos, albeit with much higher potential for adverse reactions.

post #46 of 57
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Originally Posted by kathymuggle View Post

 

 I doubt my assessment of their condition was based on placebo effect.  I have seen homeopathy not work as well, so it isn't like I expect homeopathy to work.  

 

The nice thing about homeopathy is that if you use the wrong remedy for your symptom, nothing happens; there are no adverse effects. Can't say that about most pharma products, even if they eliminate the symptom.

post #47 of 57

I don't know too much about it. I had teething tablets and well at least they distracted the kidlets. ;) My sister was given homeopathics in the hospital (a university hospital in Germany) during birth. She doesn't believe in them at all. Yet they miraculously helped, she can't explain why, and she's a doctor. My other sister is into homeopathic remedies and has a bunch. When we were all together in summer, one nephew had pink eye and quickly gave it to my kids. He was on a triple antibiotic eye drop rx from the ped. I tried euphrasia eye drops from the pharmacy (the pharmacist highly recommended them, and I figured let's try them before jumping on the antibiotic bandwagon, especially since my ped always said that's mostly viral, while MD sister claims it is bacterial in kids) and their eyes cleared in under 24 hours. My nephew's case took 3 days to achieve healing. I was quite surprised. I bought a bunch of Weleda Euphrasia D3 drops and brought them back with me, as pink eye is so common.

post #48 of 57
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Originally Posted by nia82 View Post
 

I don't know too much about it. I had teething tablets and well at least they distracted the kidlets. ;) My sister was given homeopathics in the hospital (a university hospital in Germany) during birth. She doesn't believe in them at all. Yet they miraculously helped, she can't explain why, and she's a doctor. 

 

I wonder why homeopathy is so much more popular with European doctors than it is with American ones, even though we used to have a lot of homeopathic hospitals at one time? I read its declining popularity was due to  A.M.A. influence, but haven't researched about it in-depth.

post #49 of 57
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Originally Posted by Chicharronita View Post
 

I wonder why homeopathy is so much more popular with European doctors than it is with American ones, even though we used to have a lot of homeopathic hospitals at one time? I read its declining popularity was due to  A.M.A. influence, but haven't researched about it in-depth.

 

The Flexner Report.

post #50 of 57

Thanks for that Mirzam! :-)

post #51 of 57
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Originally Posted by Mirzam View Post
 

 

 

Water. Real science from real scientists, I dare you to watch, you might learn something.

 

 

 

Just wanted to thank you Mirzam for making me laugh out loud in the living room and giving me cause to explain "Lizards from the Fourth Dimension" to my daughter. For those who have no idea what I'm talking about, the video with real scientists Mirzam dares us to watch is produced by the "People's Voice" TV channel owned by David Icke, who I should have heard of before but hadn't. He's "famous" for (among other things) believing that all of the world's leaders are "lizards from the fourth dimension". You can read all about him on wikpedia. My excuse for not knowing about him is that I was quite young when he claimed he was the son of god, had a famous media interview on mainstream UK TV and then disappeared from public life for a while. I looked him up before watching the video as I wondered if I could find a transcript of it (failed on that). 

 

 Anyway I haven't had time to watch the video after that (it is an hour long after all), but I'll try to squeeze it in at some point. If reading about the producer can amuse me so much I might enjoy it. 

post #52 of 57
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Originally Posted by nia82 View Post

I don't know too much about it. I had teething tablets and well at least they distracted the kidlets. wink1.gif My sister was given homeopathics in the hospital (a university hospital in Germany) during birth. She doesn't believe in them at all. Yet they miraculously helped, she can't explain why, and she's a doctor. My other sister is into homeopathic remedies and has a bunch. When we were all together in summer, one nephew had pink eye and quickly gave it to my kids. He was on a triple antibiotic eye drop rx from the ped. I tried euphrasia eye drops from the pharmacy (the pharmacist highly recommended them, and I figured let's try them before jumping on the antibiotic bandwagon, especially since my ped always said that's mostly viral, while MD sister claims it is bacterial in kids) and their eyes cleared in under 24 hours. My nephew's case took 3 days to achieve healing. I was quite surprised. I bought a bunch of Weleda Euphrasia D3 drops and brought them back with me, as pink eye is so common.

When I had pinkeye, my doctor said that antibiotic eyedrops are absolutely useless for pinkeye. He told me to use hot, moist compresses every couple of hours, and to keep rinsing it clean (no soap), using a clean towel to dry each time.

It always cleared in 24 hours, and I haven't had it in about 20 years.

So maybe it's not so much that the homeopathic treatment worked so well, but that you weren't adding to the problem with antibiotics?
post #53 of 57
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Originally Posted by prosciencemum View Post
 

 

Just wanted to thank you Mirzam for making me laugh out loud in the living room and giving me cause to explain "Lizards from the Fourth Dimension" to my daughter. For those who have no idea what I'm talking about, the video with real scientists Mirzam dares us to watch is produced by the "People's Voice" TV channel owned by David Icke, who I should have heard of before but hadn't. He's "famous" for (among other things) believing that all of the world's leaders are "lizards from the fourth dimension". You can read all about him on wikpedia. My excuse for not knowing about him is that I was quite young when he claimed he was the son of god, had a famous media interview on mainstream UK TV and then disappeared from public life for a while. I looked him up before watching the video as I wondered if I could find a transcript of it (failed on that). 

 

 Anyway I haven't had time to watch the video after that (it is an hour long after all), but I'll try to squeeze it in at some point. If reading about the producer can amuse me so much I might enjoy it. 

 

*giggle snort*

 

Is he the same person that owns wale?  I know that site buys into the reptilian overlords conspiracy as well.  

post #54 of 57

Prosciecemum, laugh away, if it makes your feel superior, go for it! Too bad you can't judge a program by its content. David Icke had nothing to do with show. There is no talk of shape-shifting reptiles, just the latest science of water, of which you appear to be unaware.

post #55 of 57

there is just nothing to it! …….why on earth would the English royal family use it since the 19th century!? oh, I fancy a spot of tea :tea

post #56 of 57

Just a note that there's a Horizon special on the Placebo Effect tonight on BBC TV. Doubt I'll watch it tonight (or soon), but try to find time somewhere. I think the placebo effect is truly fascinating. 

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006mgxf

post #57 of 57
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Originally Posted by prosciencemum View Post
 

Just a note that there's a Horizon special on the Placebo Effect tonight on BBC TV. Doubt I'll watch it tonight (or soon), but try to find time somewhere. I think the placebo effect is truly fascinating. 

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006mgxf

maybe placebo instead of vaccines are the way to do it! :bgbounce

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