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@Mirzam did you see this?

Yes, I am so po'ed about it.

 

Here is what NVIC sent out to the CO list.

 

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Hello All,
 
Today, 2/20/14, we heard from a Channel 4 News Reporter that there will be a press conference held tomorrow by Rep. Pabon to talk about a bill he plans to introduce to restrict exemptions to vaccination in Colorado. NVIC Ex. Dir. Theresa Wrangham was interviewed today for a story that will air today at 5:00 on Channel 4. 
 
I will you all know as soon as I know more.  We may try to get some people to the press conference tomorrow, however we do not know what time it's going to be.
 
Now that we know there will be a bill NVIC is going to ask for the records that I requested back in Jan.  NVIC will ask for a waiver of the $800.00 fee as a non profit organization. 
 
I will do my best to keep everyone updated on what's going on.  You can also register for the NVIC Advocacy Portal to receive updates at www.nvicadvocacy.org and join the Facebook Page.  If you want to join the FB Page, send me an email along with a request to join the group because the FB Page is a private group.
 
https://www.facebook.com/groups/318067371661158/ - Colorado Coalition for Vaccine Choice
 
 
 
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Hello Friends,
 
Here's some more information on the bill that was introduced today and a link to the Channel 4 News story that aired. Theresa Wrangham drove all the way down to Denver from Louisville to provide comments on behalf of NVIC and most of her comments were not included in the story.  
 
Please start calling legislators now.  An alert will go out via NVIC Advocacy Portal similar to what I'm sharing with you.  This is still a draft,  but I wanted all those on my email list to know right away what the bill does and what needs to be done.
 
I would key on 4 of these committee members.  The Democrats who supported the bill last year to give alternative practitioners the right to practice, McCann, Schafer and Ginal and the Republican co-sponsor Rep. McNulty. All of these house members have a history of supporting health freedom or parental rights.  It is also really important for you to call your own house rep. and tell them to oppose HB 1288.  If it is passed by the committee, every single house rep. will vote on this bill.
 
The talking points I have listed are pretty basic.  Please let these representatives know how you personally feel about the state telling you that YOU need to be  
 
 
 

HB 1288 was introduced on Feb. 20, 2014 and referred to the House Health, Insurance, & Environment Committee.  This bill is sponsored in the house by Representative Pabon and co-sponsored by Representatives Court, Gardner, Gerou, Ginal, Labuda, McCann, McNulty, Peniston and Schafer. The senate sponsors are Senator Aguilar as the primary sponsor and Senators Guzman, Todd and Ulibarri as co-sponsors. 

The bill would require parents who choose to delay or exempt their child from one or more of the vaccines required for school in Colorado for personal beliefs reasons to obtain the signature of a physician or authorized representative of the Dept. of health or a certificate of completion of an on-line education module developed by the Infant Immunization Program at the Dept. of Health. 

The bill would allow the State Board of Health to determine the content of the information and how often parents will have to submit to the new requirements. 

Schools will be required to make the immunization and exemption rates of their student population publicly available. 

If passed the new laws would go into effect July 1, 2015. 

http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2014a/csl.nsf/billcontainers/94D61307D2B5926387257C360075EBCB/$FILE/1288_01.pdf - text of HB 1288

 
 
 
Mark your calendars and plan on attending the hearing on Thursday, March 13th - 1:30 p.m. Room 0107 Health, Insurance & Environment. WE need as many people as possible to attend, even if you don't want to testify please plan on being there.
 
We may try to schedule a rally, possibly before the hearing.
 
Also, if any of you belong to a trade group or organization that may be willing to write a letter in opposition to this bill, please let me know.
 


HB14-1288 Pabon--Student Immunizations Prior To School
Attendance
HB14-1281 Ginal and Joshi--Terminal Patients Investigational
Drugs
http://www.leg.state.co.us/CLICS/CLICS2014A/csl.nsf/CalendarsFrameSet?OpenForm&chamber=House ( next to the last page)

 

post #22 of 33

If you look at the comments, it gets very disturbing indeed.

 

 

Peggy Thatcher  Benjamin Ashraf  a day ago

I agree something should be done. But this bill allows parents to just as easily avoid vaccination (and the education) by simply using the religious exemption.

 

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    Taximom5  Peggy Thatcher  3 hours ago

    So, when parents don't want an invasive medical procedure for their healthy child, you think the government should force them to declare a RELIGIOUS objection?

    That's horrifying on so many levels. What next? Do you want non-vaccinated children to wear yellow stars?

     

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      Dorit Reiss  Taximom5  3 hours ago

      I agree, states should not offer a religious exemption, parents should not be allowed to use insincere religious objection to avoid protecting children against disease. All religious exemptions should be abolished.

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Dorit Reiss is certifiable. There are close to 200 vaccines in the pipeline, does she really want the ability to opt out of vaccines taken away when it could come back and bite her?

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      Dorit Reiss  Taximom5  3 hours ago

      I agree, states should not offer a religious exemption, parents should not be allowed to use insincere religious objection to avoid protecting children against disease. All religious exemptions should be abolished.

 

 

 

"All religious exemptions should be abolished."

Well.  She believes that invasive medical procedures should be mandated no matter what someone's religous beliefs are.

 

Wow.  That opens so many dangerous doors, it's absolutely chilling.  "We don't care what religion you are, we will circumcise your son.  Or you. Or your daughter.  Because your beliefs don't matter, only what WE think is best matters."  

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I will probably attend the March meeting, and even speak if I can. Do you want to help me draft something?

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There is a BRILLIANT reply to one of Dorit's earlier posts, by someone named Evan Eberhardt. 

Here is Dorit's post, which lays out the typical pharma points:

 

Dorit Reiss  Informed Parent  18 hours ago

A. Vaccine research draws on multiple sources of funding - including pharmaceutical
companies and governments but also non-profits and research grants from universities.
 

B. All vaccine clinical trials are double blind.
 

 C. Vaccines work with the immune system - they teach it to recognize germs without being exposed to the disease...[edited here to fit MDC guidelines of 100 words or less]
 
D. Childhood vaccines have high rates of effectiveness and low risks.
 
E. Multiple studies, in multiple countries, examined whether vaccines cause autism. None found a link...[edited to here to fit MDC guidelines of 100 words or less] At some point you have to accept that the claim was wrong. Vaccines don't cause autism.
 
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    Evan Eberhardt  Dorit Reiss  an hour ago

    Just about every point you just stated can be refuted. 


    A) The big pharma ties go far and deep that do 'research' for vaccines (and drugs in general). True non-biased research is exceedingly rare. 


    B) Blind isn't the main issue (although shenanigans there wouldn't surprise me), rather the lack of placebo control and randomization is. Why are vaccines not compared to saline placebo and instead another vaccine? That's like comparing ibuprofin to naproxen and not to a sugar pill but claiming you are (this is fraud from a science stand point). Why are less than ideal kids excluded from studies but then the recommendations hold for everyone? That is another clear bias favoring vaccines. 


    C) Vaccines do NOT work with the immune system, which is self-evident since their antibodies fade in a few years. True exposure (for viruses at least) results in lifetime immunity. Whatever vaccines do pales in comparison to the real natural process, and there is evidence they disrupt proper immune responses for life.

    D) Never shown to be true on either count due to the absence of REAL studies. This one really irks me. Hard science requires proper controls and the history of vaccines fails to comply with such. Vaccines were claimed the reason for pathogen induced illness decline when there were numerous factors in play. Smallpox rates were all over the map despite nearly a century of use. The mortality rates were virtually identical for the vaxed and non-vaxed. Yet the vaccine got the credit? That's lousy science. How do we know smallpox (and other pathogens) didn't just work their way out of the population naturally? Or because sanitation and nutrition improved? It's all speculation because multiple variables were in play (you remember 'confounds' from statistics, yes?)


    E) Really? I guess you only check for studies that are linked on the CDC website. My personal opinion is that vaccines do not typically cause autism by themselves, by rather can act as a catalyst in susceptible children (which there are more of than ever because of the general lousy health of our populace thanks do absolutely dead wrong medical and eating advice for decades). Only a fool would discount the thousands of anecdotal events where kids changed immediately following vaccines. If it were just a few, sure, it's chance. But there are enough to establish a pattern and ignoring them because they are not 'science' is head in the sand tactics from folks who refuse to question this sacred cow of vaccination.

    Hey, I used to be for vaccines. Then I did some research on my own because I was curious why opponents were so adamant. Well, now I know why. Unfortunately, the level of fanaticism in support of vaccines keeps the public in the dark.
post #27 of 33
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New vaccination form eases way for false myths

http://www.theunion.com/opinion/10285783-113/parents-vaccinations-brown-california

 

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For almost two months, parents of California public school pupils have been able to claim with no proof that their religion precludes getting their children vaccinated against once dreaded and disabling diseases like polio, rubella, mumps, pertussis and smallpox.

This enables parents who believe in false myths to exempt their children easily, even if they really have no religious beliefs at all.

post #28 of 33

@Mirzam- I started a new thread specific for the Colorado legistlation if you want to post this information again on it. I am currently sans vehicle and wouldn't be able to go to any meetings but you are welcome to use any thoughts I post on the other thread if you think they will help. :) - http://www.mothering.com/community/t/1397977/colorado-vaccine-exemption-legistlation

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Barfelicious. Edited. I didn't read up on her. I don't know if that's a real person. Who knows. With that amount of posting output something is fishy. People can easily use a name of someone else....


Edited by nia82 - 2/23/14 at 6:43pm
post #30 of 33
Hey, ladies. I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt and assume that Ms. Reiss is not a paid shill but somebody who is deeply, deeply obsessed with this issue. I'm also not going to speculate on her parenting abilities or other facets of her personal life.

I'm editing out the last part of this post until I have more clarity on her position. I think it goes back to the idea of focusing on the arguments and not the people making them.
Edited by Turquesa - 2/23/14 at 10:18am
post #31 of 33
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Hey, ladies. I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt and assume that Ms. Reiss is not a paid shill but somebody who is deeply, deeply obsessed with this issue. I'm also not going to speculate on her parenting abilities or other facets of her personal life.

I'm editing out the last part of this post until I have more clarity on her position. I think it goes back to the idea of focusing on the arguments and not the people making them.

 

Yes.

My understanding is that she is a real person who teaches at a law school, and has a toddler son:  http://www.uchastings.edu/academics/faculty/facultybios/reiss/

 

Turquesa is right; focusing on Ms. Reiss' personal life is not the best way to address her arguments.  But that doesn't mean that there is no reason for us to wonder about and comment on about whatever inconsistencies we notice.  We just have to remember that her personal life is separate from her arguments.

post #32 of 33
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"All religious exemptions should be abolished."

Well.  She believes that invasive medical procedures should be mandated no matter what someone's religous beliefs are.

 

Wow.  That opens so many dangerous doors, it's absolutely chilling.  "We don't care what religion you are, we will circumcise your son.  Or you. Or your daughter.  Because your beliefs don't matter, only what WE think is best matters."

Sure - the day doctors begin to acknowledge adverse reactions for what they are and the medical exemptions skyrocket, and when all states are allowed a philosophical option for those who don't want to risk even needing a medical exemption which would be all inclusive of the religious reasons for opting out - then they can get rid of religious reasoning.  But unfortunately for people like me who can't get an MD to sign off on a medical exemption, where philosophical isn't an option, well...then religious it is!  Come on now, look how many schools in the US have banned the Pledge of Allegiance because of the words "under God".  I was raised Catholic and am probably the least religious person I know but it's getting ridiculous. So much for religious freedom!

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http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-03-06/unvaccinated-kids-make-everyone-sick

This will only hurt you a bit. Not getting the shot may hurt someone else. Photographer: Spencer Platt/Getty Images

THIS WILL ONLY HURT YOU A BIT. NOT GETTING THE SHOT MAY HURT SOMEONE ELSE. PHOTOGRAPHER: SPENCER PLATT/GETTY IMAGES

 

and this is the kind of propaganda techniques that have been used, and thus believed by the general public, who willingly believe and swallow the kool aid dispensed.

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