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Do I need to vax for my child to attend school?

post #1 of 56
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Hi, I'm a little uneducated in the whole vaccination debate. While I'm not against ALL vaccinations, I feel that the flu, and chicken pox vaccine are completely unneccesary and do not want my little one to have to get just ANOTHER shot, when she really doesn't need to. With that being said, will this hold my child back from attending public school? I live in PA if that helps.

post #2 of 56

PA has a religious exemption, you write a letter stating your (personal or larger doctrinal) religious problem with vaccines and submit that instead of vax records.

post #3 of 56

Pennsylvania exemption law for school

http://www.pacode.com/secure/data/028/chapter23/s23.84.html (religious and philosophical)

 

Pennsylvania exemption law for childcare

http://www.pacode.com/secure/data/028/chapter27/s27.77.html (just religious)

post #4 of 56

No.

 

http://www.nvic.org/Vaccine-Laws/state-vaccine-requirements/pennsylvania.aspx

 

There are plenty of Amish in your state who do not vaccinate, so yes there are exemptions.


Edited by applejuice - 2/16/14 at 8:16pm
post #5 of 56
I'm curious if "feeling chickenpox and flu vaccines aren 't worth it" (sic) would count as a strongly help religious or moral belief against vaccines. Does it?
post #6 of 56

Typically, you cannot pick and choose some vaccines with public school admission. You can get a waiver in most states, against all vaccines; or you can get the required vaccinations. I don't think any states allow waivers from only certain vaccines. 

 

Some private schools don't require vaccines. Some private schools allow no waivers. It's up to them.

 

Required vaxes also depends on the age of the child. Typically, flu isn't required, only recommended. Chicken pox is usually required over 12 months old. 

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Typically, you cannot pick and choose some vaccines with public school admission. You can get a waiver in most states, against all vaccines; or you can get the required vaccinations. I don't think any states allow waivers from only certain vaccines. 

 

Some private schools don't require vaccines. Some private schools allow no waivers. It's up to them.

 

Required vaxes also depends on the age of the child. Typically, flu isn't required, only recommended. Chicken pox is usually required over 12 months old. 

I think is true, hopefully a selective/delayer will weigh in.

 

Anyone can have a change of heart and refuse vaccines going forward, so I see two routes:

 

1.  get the vaccines you want, delay the ones you don't, and have your change of heart after you get the vaccines you desire.  This is probably the easiest way to go for those who are only avoiding a few.

 

2.  File your paper work with the school board, and get whatever vaccines you want.  The school will think you don't have vaccines that you do, but, meh, so what?  The only time it could possibly be an issue is in an outbreak. I think people being asked to leave school during an outbreak due to there vaccine status is extrememly uncommon.  Make sure you opt out of vaccine registries so there is no possible sharing of info (I don't know if this happnes - but why take a chance?)

 

I found this link which has some info:

http://www.mothering.com/community/t/1000612/helpwith-religious-exemption-and-selective-vaccination

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I'm curious if "feeling chickenpox and flu vaccines aren 't worth it" (sic) would count as a strongly help religious or moral belief against vaccines. Does it?

Oh, I doubt it.  She needs to look up proper wording that also feels right to her and use it.  

post #9 of 56
Also each state has their own mandatory requirements. IDK personally about PA. But in my state, the "recommended" is not the same as what's actually *required*
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Oh, I doubt it.  She needs to look up proper wording that also feels right to her and use it.  

 

If she doesn't have a sincerely held religious belief, she shouldn't manufacture one.  "Not worth it" is not really a deeply and sincerely held spiritual belief.

post #11 of 56
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Originally Posted by ashnicole219 View Post
 

Hi, I'm a little uneducated in the whole vaccination debate. While I'm not against ALL vaccinations, I feel that the flu, and chicken pox vaccine are completely unneccesary and do not want my little one to have to get just ANOTHER shot, when she really doesn't need to. With that being said, will this hold my child back from attending public school? I live in PA if that helps.

I am also in PA and on the other side, you may wish to do a bit more letter writing to you State Senate Representative http://articles.philly.com/2013-05-10/news/39144680_1_child-abuse-neglect-first-century-gospel

You should be deeply concerned about what Paul Offit is pushing for PA residents and his deep involvement with Senate Bill 20 http://aging.pasenategop.com/files/2013/06/offit.pdf this will directly effect you and many other parents here in PA.

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If she doesn't have a sincerely held religious belief, she shouldn't manufacture one.  "Not worth it" is not really a deeply and sincerely held spiritual belief.

Since the decision is not your to make lets remember it's legal and she does have every legal right to it!

post #12 of 56

Filing an exemption to get out of having any requirement at all and then selectively vaxing can get you in a whole heap of trouble.  If you choose to do this, for sure opt out of the PA registry.  To be extra sure, you may consider crossing the border to another state to get the vaxes.  

 

Disclaimer:  We no longer vax at all.  Ds2 is totally vax-free.

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If she doesn't have a sincerely held religious belief, she shouldn't manufacture one.  "Not worth it" is not really a deeply and sincerely held spiritual belief.

Oh, I think *she* can decide for herself what to do based on her moral code.

post #14 of 56
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If she doesn't have a sincerely held religious belief, she shouldn't manufacture one.  "Not worth it" is not really a deeply and sincerely held spiritual belief.

Oh, I think *she* can decide for herself what to do based on her moral code.

 

This. We are not the moral police here.

post #15 of 56

Interesting.  In the doctor thread, vaccine critics were arguing that even though it was legal, it was not ethical for a doctor to refuse to see non-vaccinating families.  Now vaccine critics are sticking to the letter of the law and ignoring possible ethical grey areas.  I actually don't believe it should be legal to lie about a deeply held religious belief.

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Interesting.  In the doctor thread, vaccine critics were arguing that even though it was legal, it was not ethical for a doctor to refuse to see non-vaccinating families.  Now vaccine critics are sticking to the letter of the law and ignoring possible ethical grey areas.  I actually don't believe it should be legal to lie about a deeply held religious belief.

How would you do it? I know of no "religious" person that has their beliefs set in stone, even the Pope seems to be evolving.

 

Are you morally above the rest of us that you could device a way to do this?

 

How would someone go about dissecting your moral beliefs?

 

According to what you have written, you also don't follow the letter of the law, you delay that in it self can alter in certain states their criteria.

post #17 of 56

I do follow the letter of the law:  all delays were either before school age or vaccines that were not required for school.

post #18 of 56

And the OP has stated that she doesn't feel the vaccines are "worth it".  That's not religion.  I guess there's no way for the law to know for sure, but it doesn't paint vaccine critics in the best light to suggest that she lie on an official document.

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I do follow the letter of the law:  all delays were either before school age or vaccines that were not required for school.

And what happens if the law is unjust? There are plenty of ridiculous laws on the the books, are we so mindless that we should follow authority regardless?

post #20 of 56
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Originally Posted by chickabiddy View Post
 

Interesting.  In the doctor thread, vaccine critics were arguing that even though it was legal, it was not ethical for a doctor to refuse to see non-vaccinating families.  Now vaccine critics are sticking to the letter of the law and ignoring possible ethical grey areas.  I actually don't believe it should be legal to lie about a deeply held religious belief.

and?

 

At best you can say that people play the ethics card when it is their side and don't when it is not.  Even that is stretching it a bit, but whatever. 

 

Personally, I would be more comfortable if we started a thread on religious exemptions (oh, how I could wax over what is a religous exemption and the ethics of having to choose between homeschooling, vaccination or lying on a form (I think *few* people out and out lie…that is another waxing point)) rather than co-opt this thread where a mother is looking for advice.  I wish she had posted this on sel/delayed. 

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