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Thread Starter 

Why I am not surprised? 

 

 

 

Carlos Morales's website: http://www.truthovercomfort.net/

post #2 of 54

Thankyou so much for this.

post #3 of 54
I don't believe this.

I have never called CPS and have them yank a kid without some grievous past harm having been done to a child. Never. Usually, the parents get counseling and more home visits and lots of time to shore themselves up as a parent.
post #4 of 54
I have worked as a social worker closely with CPS. From my experience they always try to keep the child with their family. In fact, sometimes I really feel like they should take the child and its frustrating that it is such a process. I don't see why CPS has any incentive to "kidnap" a child?
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I don't believe this.

I have never called CPS and have them yank a kid without some grievous past harm having been done to a child. Never. Usually, the parents get counseling and more home visits and lots of time to shore themselves up as a parent.

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I have worked as a social worker closely with CPS. From my experience they always try to keep the child with their family. In fact, sometimes I really feel like they should take the child and its frustrating that it is such a process. I don't see why CPS has any incentive to "kidnap" a child?

I agree. I've worked as an educator and as a foster parent. While there sometimes situations that aren't handled properly, they are not the norm. I know many, many, families who have been helped by CPS through a variety of in-home, and out-of-home services.
post #6 of 54

Ive heard that if you get a bad worker from the CPS, there is little you can do to stop their  unjust intrusion upon your family..other than-dont open the door without a warrant.

 

To the comment-'i dont see any incenctive for the CPS to 'kidnap' a child', well they get paid.(according to the video at least) The question should be, what  mechansim is in place to prevent the unjust  removal  of a child. There just doesnt seem to be one. Its not enough to rely on the  good intentions of the workers, because what if they dont have good intentions? And with all due respect, i dont want to place the well being of my child  on the tenuous foundation of  a strangers' good intentions.

 

Also, are the pps  implying that this video is a fake or the guy is lying? What would be his incentive for doing that?

 

Having said that, your posts are reassuring, but questions still need to be answered.

post #7 of 54
Honestly, the video does seem a bit suspect. CPS employees do not get paid per child removed from a home. Maybe I'm misunderstanding this part. CPS people BARELY get paid anything! I think a bigger problem is the underpayment and them being overloaded with cases and thus missing abusive situations.
post #8 of 54

I just dont see why someone would make a video like this if there wasnt some truth to it. I also wish that my questions could be answered, but never seem to be in these discussions.

post #9 of 54
Well, there are people who certainly have an incentive to fight CPS. Some of them have great intentions, some not. There are folks who believe that no one has the right to remove children from a family regardless of abuse or neglect. It's a tough situation but I do believe there are cases in which a child must be removed for the sake of the child. The problem is abuse of power, which probably does happen, but I think apathy is a worse problem.

When I was a social worker, there were people who were great and people who seemed to be there just to make kids miserable because they could. They were horrible, horrible people. I think they were attracted to the line of work because they had some kind of God complex. This probably does happen at CPS however I don't believe a case worker has ultimate power to remove a child from a home. I imagine, though I'm no expert, that there are channels to go through and oversight to deal with in such a situation.
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Originally Posted by dalia View Post

Well, there are people who certainly have an incentive to fight CPS. Some of them have great intentions, some not. There are folks who believe that no one has the right to remove children from a family regardless of abuse or neglect. I know you mean well, but Im sorry, anyone who cares enough about this issue would believe that children deserve  a happy and safe home. I have never come across such people. Please show me where you got this information. And as for the guy in the video? I find it hard to believe he would be such a person, and make all of this up. Come on, thats a bit far fetched.At his age (he looks about 25) im sure he must have such strong feelings about the importance of abused children staying in abusive homes, that he goes to the trouble of inventing all of this...Its more likely that what he is saying is simply true.
 
It's a tough situation but I do believe there are cases in which a child must be removed for the sake of the child. The problem is abuse of power, which probably does happen, but I think apathy is a worse problem. I dont think it has to be one or the other. And frankly, i dont think abuse of power is the lesser evil.


When I was a social worker, there were people who were great and people who seemed to be there just to make kids miserable because they could. They were horrible, horrible people. I think they were attracted to the line of work because they had some kind of God complex. This probably does happen at CPS however I don't believe a case worker has ultimate power to remove a child from a home.
I imagine, though I'm no expert, that there are channels to go through and oversight to deal with in such a situation.
I would like to imagine such a thing too, unfortunately, noone has been able to point out what those controls are, people often to allude to them as you are doing, in a wishful way. What are  the mechanisms that prevent the abuse of power  in the CPS? I dont think there adequate ones. Please convince me otherwise, because this video is scary.
Would you be able to answer that question OP?
post #11 of 54
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Originally Posted by dalia View Post

Honestly, the video does seem a bit suspect. CPS employees do not get paid per child removed from a home. Maybe I'm misunderstanding this part. CPS people BARELY get paid anything! I think a bigger problem is the underpayment and them being overloaded with cases and thus missing abusive situations.

The state can get funding for each child in foster care. So the employee does not- but the higher-ups put pressure on them, and if they won't do "their job", the higher ups will find someone who will. I know that in CT, it used to be really bad and I think the federal government had to come in and fix the whole system. www.npr.org/2011/10/25/141662357/incentives-and-cultural-bias-fuel-foster-system South Dakota was (if it isn't still) really bad for unjustly removing children because they got federal money for foster kids and got even more money for Native kids in foster care. At least one time the state even tried to put the kids up for adoption despite having no right to take them or keep them from their parents. It looks like the CPS workers are given information that makes them think they're doing the right thing, the problem is that the information is bad. One person on this forum also works in an area where CPS is really suspect (and you'll see that others in the thread are in areas where CPS is much better quality).

 

I hope that most CPS workers ultimately want to do good, but if the system is messed up, they won't be able to. I imagine that some CPS workers end up disenchanted and bitter from seeing the problems in the system as well.

 

The system varies a lot from state-to-state, and I believe it may also from county-to-county. Hopefully the good CPS departments outnumber the bad ones and that the bad ones will continue being improved.

post #12 of 54

Thankyou for sharing this sillysapling..

 

That NPR story is truly appalling and makes me want to vomit.

Thats what i call abuse of power and pure racism. I'm really sick of people defending the CPS at all costs when there are stories such as this. When someone breaks the news, such as the above video, they are  somehow lying, because 'there are people who think children should stay in abusive homes". Noone thinks that.

Perhaps some states have more  ethical CPS systems than others.  

I would still like to know what are the mechanisms in any CPS system that prevents this appalling abuse of power.


Edited by contactmaya - 3/2/14 at 8:54am
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Im quoting some comments written by Sherri Durham  from the above article, that clarify some of these issues.

<< I cannot even begin to describe what it means to FINALLY read something on this issue from a source such as NPR. To have validation for what I, and others, have been saying for so very long.

Some are missing the big picture though as others have pointed out, this is nowhere near being just a Native American problem. Stories like this are rampant throughout our entire nation, and no one believes you when you describe how children can be taken without any justification. I hope this NPR report is the beginning of a trend.>>

 

 <<I guess the point of bringing up the money issue is to illustrate how there is no real "incentive" for family preservation. The incentive does lie in removal. I don't think that means, necessarily, that there are workers out there in large numbers, wickedly plotting to snatch kids for financial reasons. I DO think that the money issue skews decision making from the top down. You have the issue of "erring on the side of caution", to avoid mistakenly leaving a child with a real abuser, and you couple that with federal dollars that encourage the same, and you have a recipe for disaster, no evil intentions necessary.

 

I do appreciate you acknowledging the corruption and the possibility of mistakes being made in the other direction. Few do. Sometimes I feel like one of the lone voices long ago declaring that the world is ROUND when everyone believed otherwise. Having lived through a nightmare of CPS mistakes with a traumatized child as the end result, but having also seen the other side (dear friends murdered by an abusive non-custodial parent, including a 10 year old child, after CPS and police knew for months about abuse), I don't know what the answer is, but something needs to change, that's for sure.

AndrewCooper wrote: "Where is the reporting about the judges who very likely have to approve of a long term foster care placement, how about there serving of the parents/guardians of these children with formal notice of court proceedings."

Andrew, if you have worked in the system, then surely you have witnessed family court judges who have no interest in doing anything contrary to what a worker suggests? Judges who refuse to let parents speak during these court proceedings? Right?
I find it frustrating how those who have worked in the system will often point out the laws and procedures and rules, as some sort of proof that this sort of thing could never happen. Or rarely happens. As if the rules and laws are not neglected, ignored, or broken EVERY DAY in the child protection system!>>>

 

from Native Foster Care: Lost Children, Shattered Families,

 Incentives And Cultural Bias Fuel Foster System

post #14 of 54
Well, clearly I need to do more research. Sigh... I really thought, after working in the "for profit" system for at-risk youth, that CPS were the good guys. I do believe many individual workers are good, just like I was, but they are fighting a monster they either have to be defeated by or become eventually.

I have seen horrible abuse both within the system and by parents trying to fight it. That's why I said that some parents feel they have the right I abuse their children and that they should be left alone. But I guess that doesn't mean that the CPS system is good.

Geez, is there anything in this country that isn't corrupt anymore?
post #15 of 54

I was looking for checks and balances, and found  this website  instead-all the reasons why the CPS across the board should be reformed...

 

 

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1. Agents who never had children and don't understand that a few toys in the corner of the room is not a hazardous mess.

2. Agents are not trained in real evidence recognition. In fact, no Agent in CPS has any training in evidence, the Constitution or criminal justice. They are given anywhere from 3 to 6 months of training, being taught that it is ok to break into a Home without probable cause or exigent circumstances.

3. Agents are trained to use subjective speculation and not objective factual reporting.

4. The Agents do not get psychological evaluations. A number of Agents who were abused as a child themselves see abuse in every home they go into, even if it's not there.

5. Most States do not require Agents to have a degree in Social Sciences. Any degree will do, doesn't even have to be related to the field.

6. The Agency has no checks and balances. A field Agent can lie to a judge or police officer with absolutely no proof and have it entered as factual evidence in a court of law!

7. Agents are trained to believe they are immune from the authority of the First Amendment, Fourth Amendment, Fifth Amendment, Sixth Amendment and Fourteenth Amendment. They violate this in every investigation done nationwide.

Here are the statistics and sources to support these facts: 

 

End quote -see website

 

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Constitutional Violations and Court Rulings that CPS Ignores to this very day!

1. It's unconstitutional for CPS to conduct an investigation and interview a child on private property without exigent circumstances or probable cause. - Doe et al, v. Heck et al (No. 01-3648, 2003 US App. Lexis 7144)

2. All CPS workers in the United States are subject to the 4th and 14th Amendment - Walsh v. Erie County Dept. of Job and Family Services, 3:01-cv-7588

3. Police officers and social workers are not immune for coercing or forcing entry into a person's home without a search warrant. Calabretta v. Floyd (9th Cir. 1999)

4. The mere possibility of danger does not constitute an emergency or exigent circumstance that would justify a forced warrantless entry and a warrantless seizure of a child. Hurlman v. Rice (2nd Cir. 1991)

5. Police officer and social worker may not conduct a warrantless search or seizure in a suspected child abuse case absent exigent circumstances. Defendants must have reason to believe that life or limb is in immediate jeopardy and that the intrusion is reasonable necessary to alleviate the threat. Searches and seizures in investigation of a child neglect or child abuse case at a home are governed by the same principles as other searches and seizures at a home. Goodv. Dauphin County Social Services (3rd Cir. 1989)

6. The Fourth Amendment protection against unreasonable searches and seizures extends beyond criminal investigations and includes conduct by social workers in the context of a child neglect/abuse investigation. Lenz v. Winburn (11th Cir. 1995)

7. Making false statements made to obtain a warrant, when the false statements were necessary to the finding of probable cause on which the warrant was based, violates the Fourth Amendment's warrant requirement. Aponte Matos v. Toledo Davilla (1st Cir. 1998) 

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Here are a couple of reforms the writer suggests, the sound good to me...

 

 

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II. Have the abuse allegations investigated by a Detective or Police Officer, who are trained for this as a career, whereas CPS workers are not. All investigations are joint ones with said Officers of the Law and with warrants properly issues under probable cause.

 

 

III. Re-train Agents to respect and obey the laws of the Constitution of the United States. If a family is guilty of abuse, a legal investigation will find it.

 

 

VI. All interviews to be audio and video recorded just like it happens with the police!

 

 

VII. Hold CPS Agents and foster parents and the records keeper responsible for every child who vanishes or dies in their care for their location.

 

VIII. Also investigate the person or persons reporting the abuse, and if done maliciously with intent to disrupt a family, prosecute the reporter to the fullest extent of the Law regarding making false claims to Government Agencies to affect an unnecessary and costly investigation.

 

 

 

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I got this from http://fight-cps.rallycongress.com/1448

post #16 of 54
I've been a foster parent for seven years and the above does not reflect my experience at all. Nor that of most of my FP friends around the country. Yes, the system is not perfect, and sometimes bad things happen, but it's not nearly as pervasive as the above website would lead you to believe.

CPS is not one entity. Each state has it's own and it's often administered locally.
post #17 of 54
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I've been a foster parent for seven years and the above does not reflect my experience at all. Nor that of most of my FP friends around the country. Yes, the system is not perfect, and sometimes bad things happen, but it's not nearly as pervasive as the above website would lead you to believe.

CPS is not one entity. Each state has it's own and it's often administered locally.


Yes and in some places it's not even called CPS. Polliwog, if the problems aren't as common as the website portrays, what do you think is their motive for making it seem that way?
post #18 of 54
I think people involved with sites like that have typically been involved with the system.
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What ever happened to that Russian family in Sacramento who had their son taken from them when they went to another hospital for another opinion since the first hospital did not seem to know what they were doing?  It has been almost a year and the little boy is almost 18 months. The baby boy was returned physically to the parents, but ON PAPER, the child is still a ward of the state for at least another six to twelve months after the court date.  So that is why I ask.

 

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/04/30/baby-taken-from-parents-who-sought-second-opinion-removed-from-protective/

http://beforeitsnews.com/prophecy/2013/05/happy-end-for-russian-parents-court-rules-to-return-their-baby-boy-2447230.html

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/04/30/government-rips-baby-from-couple-for-seeking-second-medical-opinion-65551

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsCZ_SFDe2M

There was a home video of the CPS barging in and ripping the child from the mother's arms, but I think that may have been removed...mmmm.

 

As for personal stories, a crazy person reported my sister's children and they were taken from her and put in foster care where they were molested. My nephew told me that he was repeatedly beaten and raped by the older son in the foster home.  When this was brought up in family court, the judge struck my nephew's statement from the record and moved on to something else. My sister was afraid to say anything since she just wanted her children back.


Edited by applejuice - 3/2/14 at 5:13pm
post #20 of 54

Thank you contactmaya, for your excellent post.

 

I had a CPS person come to my door 21 years ago and demand entrance without an ID. I let her in, but  I followed her out to her car and got her license plate, and that is when she finally showed me her ID. I never had a problem with her again.

 

Years later, when another false report was made about me, I met the CPS person at the door with my GSD, rolling video recorder and microphone, and told her to get a warrant if she thought I was worth it. I learned my lesson.

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