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post #21 of 51

I know that vaccine programs in Central America and Mexico are very intensive and complete. There are no roads or other public services, but the health department goes from family to family, from house to house to be sure everyone is up-to-date on their vaccines. (There are conspiracy theories as to what is being dispensed in those syringes, but that is another thread.)

 

I am NOT blaming any immigrant group for bringing this disease here.

 

IF they are migrant workers or children of migrant workers, it could be some new fangled pesticide.

 

I am saying, that, from my own knowledge and experience, Mexican and Central American people area very conscientious about getting their vaccinations and making sure their children are vaccinated.  Blaming them for bringing in this disease is wrong, unless we gave it to them in a vaccine.

 

The comments on that article are rather xenophobic. 

post #22 of 51
Thank you, Applejuice. <3
post #23 of 51

Just read the AOL "article" on this (http://www.aol.com/article/2014/02/24/polio-like-illness-baffles-doctors-in-california/20836819/?icid=maing-grid7|maing11|dl26|sec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D446855) and if we are to believe one of the commenters, it must be the immigrants because we (the US) are one of the "few" countries in the world that vaccinate our children. duh.gif

post #24 of 51
Wondering how many of the paralysis victims were recently given either a flu shot or an HPV shot.

With the paralysis cases in LeRoy, we were told that it couldn't be the Gardasil, because not all the victims got Gardasil. But we don't know all the vectors had recently gotten unspecified vaccines, or perhaps multiple vaccines, or vaccines combined with some other kind of exposure.

Maybe they'll decide that it's conversion disorder.
post #25 of 51

I heard one report on the radio say that the healthcare professionals treating these children know it is not polio because all of the victims of the paralysis have been fully vaccinated. Very scientific.

 

:laugh 

 

When they decide what it really is, they will claim that it is a violation of their privacy and declare it to be a conversion disorder. Again, very scientific.

post #26 of 51
AgeOfAutism's Dan Blaxill has an interesting take on it: http://www.ageofautism.com/2014/02/polio-like-cluster-in-california-has-eerie-echoes.html

"Here's something worth knowing about the cluster of “polio-like illnesses” identified by doctors in the San Francisco area: Some of the first outbreaks of actual poliomyletis in the United States more than a century ago happened in the same area."

"From autism (as well as Parkinson’s), we’ve also learned that pesticides can be a risk for neurological disorders – a well-regarded study in 2007 found an apparent higher risk of autism in mothers who lived near farm fields in California’s Central Valley, where pesticide drift is a well-known phenomenon. "

"So what’s going on with this latest “polio-like” outbreak, which the doctors in California suspect may be the result of another (non-polio) enterovirus? Who knows, but I consider it eminently reasonable to put toxins on the table when I come across the words “enterovirus,” “San Francisco,” “polio-like” and “cluster” in the same news story. ("Speculation," said Darwin, "is the basis of all good and original observation." One might also speculate on a role for the current epic California drought -- there's no rain to wash the pesticides off the produce; poliomyelitis epidemics cases were known to increase during dry summers.)"
post #27 of 51

Another interesting blog on the outbreak (well more about the polio deception) :

 

http://removingtheshackles.blogspot.nl/2014/02/mysterious-polio-like-illnesspolio-in.html

post #28 of 51
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Originally Posted by Mirzam View Post
 

Another interesting blog on the outbreak (well more about the polio deception) :

 

http://removingtheshackles.blogspot.nl/2014/02/mysterious-polio-like-illnesspolio-in.html

 

That's very interesting, and I agree with much of it, but isn't Cocksackie a completely separate virus from Polio?  Aren't they both easily identifiable by blood work?  Or am I just making assumptions?

post #29 of 51
I believe Cox Sackie viruses (there are several) are all Enteroviruses, as is Polio virus. That is also a very interesting possibility about the pesticides as a cause of acute flaccid paralysis. How many of the cases had respiratory illness before the paralysis? I read a few but some articles mention only the current five cases but seems there are 25 (?).
Regarding dry summers, I believe that Polio peaked then due to contracting it via community swimming pools, since it is spread via oral/fecal route. A mouthful of pool water would do it. Speaking of which, Poliovirus is difficult to kill, I read a paper a while ago about the different levels of Chlorination and it took anywhere from 4 hours to 24 hours to kill the virus. Apparently it kills it but not upon contact, Formaldehyde and heat are better. They did chlorinate pools in the 30s and 40s. Back to the formaldehyde for a minute, the Cutter incident with the polio virus vaccine, had used formaldehyde and it did not kill the virus.

I read somewhere that Gillian-Barre has not been ruled out. Since Gillian-barre is associated with the influenza vaccine, that was my thought also, a PP mentioned too.

I also am curious if the batches of polio vaccine have been investigated for defects or other related viruses, contamination.
Apparently two children did test positive for Enterovirus 68. Something to consider (Quote) Vaccine-derived polioviruses:collaboration with M. Rakoto-Andrianarivelo, R. Razafindratsimandresy,J.M. Reynes and their colleagues, (IP Madagascar). Our results show the broad distribution of VDPVs in the Toliara province, and intense and rapid cocirculation and coevolution of the vaccine strains and other but related enterovirus strains. (End Quote)
http://www.pasteur.fr/recherche/RAR/RAR2010/Bve-en.html

This is from international Pasteur Enterovirus Network from 2010 in Florence. It is about Vaccine Derived Polio Virus outbreaks, and the one in Toliara province evolved to other entero strains. So if there are 70 some odd Enteroviruse that cause disease in humans and Polio vaccines contain PV1, PV2 and/or PV3, are they saying that the virus can evolve from the vaccine into other Entero serovars (strains)? If the two children in California tested positive for Enterovirus 68 who is to say there are not others evolving. One article stated that the newest 5 cases may not have been tested for 71. I realize US administers killed virus.


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Edited by Asiago - 2/25/14 at 2:13pm
post #30 of 51
Quote:
I read somewhere that Gillian-Barre has not been ruled out.

That is interesting. There was a lady posting in the comments on one of the articles and she said she had very similar symptoms when she was younger and it was GBS.

post #31 of 51

BTW, another name for Guillan Barre Syndrome is French polio.

Google French Polio, and you get links to GBS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillain%E2%80%93Barr%C3%A9_syndrome

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/French+Polio

 

Just sayin'.

post #32 of 51
That's helpful to know. Thanks.
post #33 of 51

I'm not here often lately, but I know I can always rely on folks here to have more useful information than the mass media.  Thank you--subscribing.

 

By the way, one article I read (that I can't find now!) mentioned that one little girl with symptoms had a mass on the nerves in either her arm or her spine.  I wonder how that figures into the picture.

post #34 of 51

This is interesting. from http://news.yahoo.com/polio-disease-appears-california-children-074000774.html?bcmt_s=m#ugccmt-container

Quote:
 Van Haren, who diagnosed Sofia, said polio vaccines do not protect children from the disease, but he stressed that it is still important for children to receive that vaccine.

I love doublespeak!

post #35 of 51
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Originally Posted by applejuice View Post

This is interesting. from http://news.yahoo.com/polio-disease-appears-california-children-074000774.html?bcmt_s=m#ugccmt-container
I love doublespeak!

I questioned that statement too....
post #36 of 51

I think he meant that polio vaccine does not protect against enterovirus-68, not that polio vaccine doesn't protect against polio.

 

I'm betting that this is an advance marketing effort for a new enterovirus-68 vaccine to hit the schedule. If enough panic is generated, they'll make it a thimerosal-preserved multi-dose vial, and give it to newborns and pregnant women.

post #37 of 51

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15302951

 

"Enterovirus (EV) 68 was originally isolated in California in 1962 from four children with respiratory illness. Since that time, reports of EV68 isolation have been very uncommon. Between 1989 and 2003, 12 additional EV68 clinical isolates were identified and characterized, all of which were obtained from respiratory specimens of patients with respiratory tract illnesses. No EV68 isolates from enteric specimens have been identified from these same laboratories."

 

What the heck are they spraying in California?

post #38 of 51

Well, there IS a vaccine in development for a different enterovirus, enterovirus-71.

 

I wonder if the polio vaccine and Rotashield caused other enteroviruses to mutate?

post #39 of 51
Quote:
Originally Posted by Taximom5 View Post
 

Well, there IS a vaccine in development for a different enterovirus, enterovirus-71.

 

I wonder if the polio vaccine and Rotashield caused other enteroviruses to mutate?

Sad.  Why not?

post #40 of 51

I didn't see this posted - (gasp!---) according to this - it is enterovirus 68 and two have tested positive and all are vaccinated for polio, but it's well, not, let's back up, we are not calling it you know……..ah, no connection, ah ah ah ah

 

 this is edited - if anyone finds the whole thing I would really like to see it

 

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-a-wave-of-poliolike-symptoms-in-california-cause-for-alarm/

 

 

These children did not test positive for polio, but two of the children did test positive for a different kind of enterovirus, enterovirus 68. What’s your theory for what’s going on here?
Acute flaccid paralysis, that’s acute paralysis of parts of the body–in this case the limbs, can result from a variety of viruses including polio virus and non-polio enteroviruses including enterovirus 68, West Nile Disease, echovirus and adenoviruses. Most people who get enteroviruses have mild symptoms and no testing is ever done on them. I think we’re looking at a rare outcome in these children.

 

​I found this interesting - but well, that's me! 

 

So what would spark an enterovirus to cause paralysis when that’s such a rare symptom?
It’s probably a combination of how the host interacts with the virus. If you think about a condition like chicken pox it used to infect basically every single child in the U.S. With four million cases a year a hundred kids died. Why did those kids die? It’s really hard to explain. It’s an interaction of the virus and the host. Either genetically they didn’t cope with the virus as well or they got an unusually high dose of the virus, it’s hard to say.

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