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post #41 of 1092
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Originally Posted by Mona
i'd like to hear what everyone's dc's fav toy is, just out of curiosity.
My kids play with lego a lot, and also with a wooden train set (cheap-o version of Brio, Brio compatible... I think Tumble Tree woods? Made by, oh, the company name is the same as one of those gentleman's mags... Maxim? I recommend it to anyone who wants a wooden train set, soooo much cheaper!). They like kitchen stuff -- containers, can openers, manual egg beaters, ice cream scoops, spoons, etc. Of course, stuff they can dig with in the summer. I think the Ikea toys we just put up are going to become a favourite.... we just put up a rope ladder and a hanging seat in the basement.

Ok, I know, that wasn't just one favourite toy, that's why I haven't bagged up as many of the toys as I thought I would!
post #42 of 1092
haha, it all gets all over the house. shredded pieces of toilet paper, glue and popsicle sticks, you name it. ruby is a really good spitter so i haven't had any problem with the eating. she won't eat anything that's not tasty.....

her favorite toy? by far it is two cups with some water. even better, with some ice. it makes us a little crazy sometimes and it keeps us from drinking much of any other beverages. i'm washing alot of mucky towels these days. and my cell phone my two littles have to talk to anyone that calls. fortunately not that often. she loves to dance to any music. dressing up is fun for her, and slathering on goo like massage oil. which is really new and weird since my boys never did it. oh, and she talks to my breast and plays with that of course.

the other day i got some blow up pools ( i now have three different sizes they are much cheaper than i expected ) and bought an electric pump and they've been in the water all day. it has got me making a small patio area with some free flagstones that we've had in a pile for years. so i got some pea gravel for that and they are loving the stuff....and yes, it gets in the pool.....

don't get me wrong, we have hundreds of books (we go to the library at least once a week) and have some little cars and action figures and legos that get thrown on the floor. my kids have access to computer and movies. last night i found some flash cards where clay had to tell me what the name of the picture was and he enjoyed it. but the raw materials, they are an absorbing and creative type of play that i find magical, that they actually get engrossed in (unless it is reed watching return of the king or mr. bean this week.....)

one time i was at a friend's home and what she does when her seven ds gets cross is she gives everyone a roll of toilet paper and they throw it around and unwind it all over the house. i was initially shocked by this but really, it is a cheap toy of endless fun. i have had to deal with our issues about waste, and even more about mess (more of dh's issue). i have a friend that for religious reasons will not let her kids play with food type items, but our kids are born in a world where materials come from a store, from family and friends, or someone else's garbage (yes, my kids climb in the magazine recycling dumpster....) and i'll have to wait for that lesson to happen, and just be happy that i'm not spending or promoting many expensive manufactured items that have only a few bells and whistles.
post #43 of 1092
oh, and the only toys i've ever needed in the "diaper" bag are a bag of balloons and a balloon pump, sometimes some rubberbands for holding the ballons, and strips of stickers. of course i'm totally out but they have worked for almost six years now.
post #44 of 1092
Gabriel has a set of blocks his Nonno made, just plain wood cubes, no paint no numbers, no letters. He has a bunch of store bought ones too, painted. He loves them--they can be anything. I came in the room the other day and he grabbed me and pointed, "Treno, treno!" (train in Italian) he had put them all in a row and was pushing them across the floor.
post #45 of 1092

Going along to parents' activities

(This is not meant to derail the toy discussion, just to give our tribe something additional to discuss.)

I attended a meeting last night, to plan a church fundraiser, and remembered how often as a child I went along w/my parents to similar meetings. Although we did occasionally have babysitters, that was only when they were going somewhere we couldn't, like a play they really wanted to see that would be totally boring to kids--but most of the time their taste in entertainment allowed us to come along. My parents had been involved in many community activities before we were born and didn't believe that parenthood was any reason to drop out of life in the outside world. If only one of them was going out on a given evening, both kids might stay home w/the other parent, but sometimes one of us would go anyway; if both were going out, both kids might go w/one parent or one w/each.

So, we grew up regularly attending meetings of computer clubs, feminist groups, a small-town Unitarian Fellowship (more like scholarly lectures than religious services), community improvement groups, writers' groups, organizers of the town's first domestic violence shelter, science lectures, and some parenting-related groups like LLL, school committees, and the gifted children's enrichment program. We would bring something to read or some paper and crayons or a few toys (later, homework), and sit in an out-of-the-way corner entertaining ourselves unless the meeting drew our attention. At the end, our parents would introduce us to their friends and encourage conversation. The ride or walk to and from the meeting was a time to talk w/our parents, who often would explain the meeting at our level and ask our opinions. While I can't say this was my favorite way to spend an evening, I enjoyed getting to go to different places and see what the adults were up to.

My dad was an early enthusiast of home computers, so he'd often volunteer to help somebody set up a new computer or troubleshoot a problem. I often went along on these visits to some random person's house, where I would usually be settled in a comfortable chair with a snack or my dad's friend would suggest that I hang out w/his wife. I found it very interesting to see other people's homes (esp. because they weren't only people w/kids my age) and talk w/women who had different interests than my mom and often were doing interesting household tasks.

Sometimes there would be other kids at the meeting or computer-owner's house, often pretty different in age and interests from me. It was always interesting (if not ALWAYS in a good way...) to be thrown together like that and try to think of something to do or talk about. The local schools/culture mostly discouraged kids from hanging out w/anyone who wasn't exactly the same age and sex, so it was a rare opportunity.

But mostly, my brother and I were the only kids brought along to meetings. Many of the people involved in these groups had adult children or no children; those who were parents left the kids w/the other parent or a babysitter or a friend. It's the same at most of the meetings I attend as an adult--people who have kids usually don't bring them.

A lot of people are telling me that when I have my baby, I won't "have time" for community involvement; as a WOHM, I'll have to cease all other activities and non-parenting interests, or I will "never see" my kid. Seems to me that in my family of origin, kids attended parents' activities about as many hours as parents attended kids' activities, and we got to know each other better because of it.

What do you think?
post #46 of 1092
i think that is wonderful that you had such an experience. i do bring the kids with me to places and find that people are usually more accomodating than you might think, and that the kids can understand how to adopt the behaviour of the environment. that is one of my main parenting methods, that my kids behave as others in a different place or follow the rules of where they are. my dh is more hesitant however, and it takes a certain amount of energy from me since mine are little. it is always good to know that i can leave if i need when i find something worth trying.
however, i am not able to drop my guard as i would like, since where i live most people are still happier with children that sit still and do not talk. and here it is not okay for me to take my kids into a bar to see my dh play in his band, even if the show is at earlier. and my kids are very sensitive to a vibe of a place and of people, so i never know exactly how their behaviour will be.
post #47 of 1092
CASINA~ woah! that totally freaked me out when I saw your kids' names... check out mine :LOL

We are totally into the CC. I read it when DS#1 was newborn and since have lent it out, never to be seen again. I do wish I had it so I could refresh my reading of it. Sorry, but I don't remember what was said about homosexuality. Could someone refresh me?
We were alot better about always holding baby with DS1, but with DS2, I tend to put him down more b/c... well... I don't know, he just seems to want to explore more than DS1 did. We've always tended to shock onlookers by the things we let our kids handle. (scissors, knives, tools) Not like I'm letting them play with razor blades, or anything. But I can't even begin to count the number or people who have thought they were saving the day by ripping the scissors out of my babies/children's hands. I've always felt they can just be trusted, and the bonus to it is that they always learn how to use those things sooner than most kids!
post #48 of 1092
interesting to know about the suzanne arms site. i like the good karma flags.

my dh's late grandmother, maw maw I, told me after clay was born, that there were some brothers she knew as a kid that were named reed and clay. i've also had a friend from arkansas in her thirties tell me she knew some brothers named reed and clay. it's a funny thing, my feeling about those names are entwined with these two specific personalities. what are their full names? we've got reed laurence williams, and clay henry williams.

tired.
post #49 of 1092
Ours are Clay Elijah and Reed Joseph. We've only met a handful of Clay's and know one Reed (well, Reid actually) who is DH's age. Your kids are cuties! My family just got a kick out of seeing those brothers with the same names! I love those names b/c they're so simple and natural and meaningful...

sorry, OT!
post #50 of 1092
I finally thought of something to say about toys. (My own kid hasn't been born yet, so I don't know what its favorite toy is!)

Some of my favorite toys growing up were "junk" that my parents passed on to us, often from dad's job as an electrical engineer. Some examples:

*An audio mixer, which was not connected to anything; it was just a big black thing covered in knobs w/mysterious labels and little metal-lined holes. We called it the Spaceship Control Panel. We'd get some chopsticks or paintbrushes that fit into the holes, tie them together w/yarn, and plug them into various holes while setting the knobs to various settings and traveling around the universe!

*A huge supply of computer punchcards. These were our family's scrap paper for phone messages, etc., for many years, but my brother and I found several other uses: Circle the numbers and letters printed on the card to spell out messages. Put a card w/many holes over another piece of paper and color thru holes to make a design. See how many cards you can find w/the same slot punched in each one, line them up, and thread a string thru the hole. Staple cards together and draw on the blank side to make flip-books.

*A pad of checks from a closed account. Great for playing Store!

*Empty spools from sewing thread. We decorated them to make little characters.

*The cardboard box from a refrigerator. We weren't the ones who got a new fridge; my dad brought home the box from somebody else's. It was a tunnel to crawl thru, a phone booth for changing into Superman, a Tardis for traveling thru time....

*Damaged disks from a giant computer. These had two useful parts: an enormous magnet w/several holes in it, and an outer case easily opened w/screwdriver. We could put a magnet on the carpet (FAR AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER!!!) and use smaller magnets to scoot it around or build towers of metal objects on it. We threaded pipe cleaners thru the holes in some magnets to make handles so we could get them off the fridge, and used them to hold up things like an entire year's worth of spelling tests. We used the cases mainly to wrap holiday gifts so that it was impossible to guess what they were.

Each of these things was a frequently-used toy for at least a year. Anybody else have "junk" reborn as cool toys?
post #51 of 1092
wow- great ideas EnviroBecca!

my neighbor gave us some small plastic troughs that were to be used at the animal shelter but they had too many so she gave them to me. we use them for water, dirt, ect. she loves to play in them. we also use old plant pots outside to play with.

can't think of anything good off the top of my head.

but i did put most of her toys out of sight (but accessible if she really wanted them). she hasn't missed any of those toys. the room is much more clutter free.

gotta run....
post #52 of 1092
yes, any kind of cardboard box! i never have enough.
post #53 of 1092
I remember the absolute fun of a cardboard box. I also had old formals turn dressup clothes. My baby brother had an old headset from an airplane (dad was a pilot) that he used to pretend he was a pilot with. I have to ask my dad what he used to play with as a kid.... I know he had a cool makeshift space shuttle/airplane. I also used scraps of cloth to make beds for my dolls.
post #54 of 1092
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Originally Posted by EnviroBecca
a Tardis for traveling thru time....
post #55 of 1092
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Originally Posted by Mona
wow casina- as usual that was a very helpful post! how do you store all the grains, beans, ect to taht they don't get all over the house? and does ruby try to eat them? i think that might be one of my concerns- dry rice and beans in the tummy=ouch!


i'd like to hear what everyone's dc's fav toy is, just out of curiosity.
We aim to be as CC as we can in our fractured culture.

My experience with eating beans and dry noodles is that she naturally limits herself...they get boring after a while. She loves to play with larger beans, rolling them around in her mouth. Funny, I do the same thing with frozen cherries and blueberries! BTW - Breastfed babies have better gag reflexes than bottle fed kiddos, and if a child is allowed to have things in their mouth, they are better able to maintain that gag reflex.
Sarah's favorite "toy" is whatever it is folks around her are working with. I find the toys just end up in a pile somewhere (usually where I end up tripping on them) and I just keep making the pile smaller. We have a basket of sticks, a basket of dress-up clothes and silks, balls, sewing supplies (measuring tape and stringing beads, the begining of her sewing basket), high quality white and black drawing paper and black and white conté crayons/chalk, and lots of books, some homemade with Sarah. Oh yeah, she also has some stuffed animals and a few hand made babies.
post #56 of 1092
Is anyone interested in keeping this alive? I've finally gotten to read the book, and found it resonates STRONGLY within me. I really like the ideas presented, and would love to hear more of how you all incorporate this into your daily lives. And I'd love to be able to ask questions, if you all are willing to answer them.

I'm not completely through the book yet, I'm about halfway through.

One thing I noticed I already had tendencies towards what the idea of giving children real, working tools sized to fit them. I don't want a plastic broom or hammer that wouldn't really work, but something that they can actually use to help out with.

I'm really happy about this book so far and look forward to incorporating these ideas when I have kids.
post #57 of 1092
i'm still here.......
what's funny about real tools is that many of the real things are not any more expensive than the fake things. the trick is that when i see the real thing i tend to want it handled "appropriately" and seeing food wasted or other "real" materials used in a kid's type play i get really weird. it is a control issue i am working to change.
post #58 of 1092
I totally agree, but don't think it's a control issue so much I guess. For example, wasting food (throwing, play cooking, etc) is not acceptable for us, as we see it as "disrespectful of nature's bounty" (someone else used that phrase on MDC and I thought it was perfect) as well as disrespectful of the hard work and $$ dh and I put into buying, storing, preparing, and serving it. I think as a result, our kids have had very few, very limited bouts with food throwing or food mashing, etc etc (handled in a very GD way) - but they never learned to view food as a toy. I am also not someone who views playing with food (e.g., at the highchair) as being an absolutely necessary developmental phase like a lot of people do. Hogwash. They get plenty of sensorimotor development from playing with play dough, in the sandbox, in the mud, in the baby pool... - they don't need to waste our food to learn about gravity, textures, pouring, etc!!

So.. I definitely do encourage my kids to stand up on a chair at the counter and "help cook" but they're actually helping me prepare a meal, not playing with the food or wasting it in any way. Does that make sense? Unless I'm totally misunderstanding what you meant I just thought I'd chime in and say I agree with you 100% but don't see it as necessarily changeworthy!

As for tools, I also don't "believe" (for lack of a better word) in giving kids certain adult tools and letting them learn that they PLAY with them as opposed to use them. For example, my kids LOVE LOVE LOVE loading and unloading the dishwasher. So I have them help with things they can do, like loading in their plastic dishes or unloading smaller things. (In fact, they unload glassware too and have never dropped any, but usually I try to have them stick to lighter things.) But they're not playing in/with the dishwasher, they are actually helping. Or, when I'm vacuuming and they want a turn. I let them push it /pull it around as best they can, but show them how to use it, not letting them, for example, climb on the canister and play with the attachments or bang on it or anything. No, they don't do a terrific job but they are doing as good a job as I could expect them to, and they don't treat the vacuum like a toy.

So I guess to make a long story short, I would generally tend not to buy, for example, a play plastic vaccum or a play cleaning mop/brush set or a fake toolbelt -- I think it totally takes away from their natural curiousity to help out doing REAL adult chores and activities and turns what could be a great learning experience into "just another toy" they'll ignore within a few weeks.

[Edited to add: The one thing (perhaps the only one) that they do have is a little wooden play kitchen from Magic Cabin (just a stand-alone cooktop actually) and wooden play food. They adore it, and it was an absolute necessity before they could stand up by themselves on chairs at the counter, for me to be able to cook a meal without two little ones tugging on my legs! Plus, the wooden food is so darn cute, I can't possibly resist. ]

Anyway, great thread. In all honesty, I think it's nearly impossible to be completely CC in a modern urban/suburban life with zero support from other family members (e.g., in assisting with childcare), but I have taken some great things from that book -- the two biggest things that come to mind are what I wrote about above (children learning adult chores and respect for adult things) and also an element of trusting their instinct/balance not to fall off the bed or down the stairs or off a jungle gym. Knock wood, they have NEVER done such a thing, and I do attribute that to a great extent to the fact that I don't swoop in and "rescue" them everytime they're near the edge of the bed or climbing up a ladder on their playset. And I try very hard not to constantly say "Be careful!" or "Watch out or you'll fall!" thought I admit that's hard for me, because of 31 years of conditioning! So I wouldn't say we're bona fide CC'ers, but have taken a lot from that book.
post #59 of 1092

continuum parenting

Let me start by saying that I'm new to MDC. I had never heard of continuum concept until just today. I clicked on the website mentioned and read the tenets of the concept. I already do all of that and had no idea it was a "concept". It's what felt right. We did hold our son a lot in the early months and he was co-sleeper from the get-go. We tended to his needs and I really believe that babies cry for a reason and it's important to find out what they need and take care of it right away. My son hated the sling and the baby bjorn so there was a lot of carrying around by hand or just sitting with him in our laps or lying on the couch or bed together. I didn't get much done the first few months. Once he was crawling he would hang out where I was or my husband was. He explored on his own while I cleaned or cooked, but I interacted a lot.

I really believe you can take your kids just about anywhere. We did the whole Lewis and Clark Trail when he was 6 months in utero. We already knew is name and made him part of the journal of our trip. I often wonder if this gave him his love of adventure. Now we take our son just about everywhere. He has seen and done so much and he really loves to spend time with us.

I find it very interesting that this is an actual "concept". Like I said, it just seems like the natural thing to do.
post #60 of 1092
shrinkmama welcome! I encourage you to read the book by Jean Leidoff. There are a lot of things in the book that she doesn't have on the site. And it all makes so much more sense in the context of the book. I agree though, a lot of the things in the book I feel were very natural to me to do, and I'm just realizing it now. But of course, that's the whole point. That this is the way we are naturally expected (by ourselves) to be.

When I say giving kids tools scaled to their size, that's exactly what I"m talking about. Real tools for kids. So they can help if they so desire. She talks about assuming kids are naturally social creatures. So, if they show an interest, it's a genuine interest to help, not to mess things up. So, if my two year old is tugging on me saying mom, I want to help! Then I give her the bowl and spoon and let her stir while I do something else. And if she gets bored after a minute and leaves, then I take the bowl back and continue. I'm not talking about giving "play" food, just the opposite. There was an example in the book about a two year old girl who was watching the other women grate something, and she picked up a piece and tried to do it too, so they gave her a grater her own size and a piece, and she did it for a minute before running off. So, if my child wants to help sweep the floor or whatever, then I want to give her a broom her size that's not a toy, and have her help. I know I've seen stuff like that before, but it's few and far between.
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