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post #21 of 88
oh, just wanted to add: when we took an international trip last summer (dd was about ten months at the time) the stroller would have been an awful encumbrance (plus i seriously doubt she would have stayed in it then). The damn carseat was bad enough. Anyway, i had a marvelous hip carrying device (clips to the body with strong straps, cushy shoulder padding); i had borrowed it from a friend, and almost kissed her on teh lips when i got home, it was just that useful. DD slept in it, and my hands were free to help with baggage; i felt safer and better with her right up next to me. Jus lovely.
post #22 of 88
I use my stroller every day. DS and I walk everywhere, and it is the only way to get further than the front porch with him. I feel so mean when I can't carry him once he gets tired, so I bring along the stroller, which he loves. I used a sling until he was 4 months old, 20 lbs and I couldn't possibly pack him any more. Too hard on my back.
GoodWillHunter, you would have been horrified to have seen us in the mall yesterday. Me pushing a stroller, 2 year old DS with a cheeseburger in one hand, paci in the other... Ok, it was a veggie burger, and the paci is only for when he is about to have a nap. Part way through the time in the mall, I realized how bad that must look.
In other words, i see nothing wrong with strollers. We walk about 5 miles a day with one.
post #23 of 88
Stroller mama here too! We have a Jeep Liberty stroller and we LOVE it! I do have a sling and I never use it- maybe a handful of times in over a year! It hurts my back and she likes the stroller better- I do understand all the AP attachment to a sling but I have not found the perfect sling- I do want a euro carrier but DP says it looks like the baby cant see anything- and I also think it is like 90 bucks and I can buy at least 6 dipes for that! lol..... We do have a back pack we take everplace and use it a lot. I think that AP is a lot of stuff- I have a friend who didnt nurse her baby full time (due to lots of latching reasons) but she is very very big into AP and is studding to be a midwife- so I think AP is a mix of things!
post #24 of 88
Moving this to Parenting Issues...
post #25 of 88
We've used all manner of baby/toddler moving devices in our house: ring sling, Bjorn, wrap sling, backpack, umbrella stroller, jogging stroller, even (gasp) the removable infant carseat...different situations call for different tools. I know there is alot of derogatory talk about "bucket babies" around here, but when dd was an infant you could not have paid me enough to try to transfer her from carseat to sling when she was sleeping.

And Mocha, that could have been me you saw putting a screaming toddler into a stroller.
Dd gets to walk alot, but sometimes we actually have to get somewhere at a reasonable pace. Dd occasionally is unhappy to get in the stroller, but always happy once we get moving (just like with the sling when she was a babe).

Loved that Kellymom article!
post #26 of 88
When dk#1 was little, we didn't have a car I could drive, so I bussed a lot with him -- sling was easier, and I felt it was safer. When dk#2 was born, ds#1 was 2. I had an umbrella stroller I used for dk#1 occasionally then if we were going for a long walk (he would walk on his own on the bus, I would just carry them both if it was an awkward place). I slung dk#2 while pushing dk#1. I've found personally a wagon to be a better investment for us -- it's tough enough that the kids can play with it, it's easy to clean, they can both still fit in it for a long trip, I can use it on rougher terrain, and I can use it to carry other things. I think it has a weight tolerance of 150 lbs. About the only time when I would really want a bigger stroller would be at the mall, and they are free to borrow there. That's just what has worked out for us. The wagon does make a fair amount of noise if we're pulling it empty on the sidewalk, and it gets hot in the sun (it's metal). Lining it with a blanket helps.
post #27 of 88
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Originally Posted by Foobar
It only bothers me when people don't interact. I am usually talking non stop with Goo when we walk. It doesn't matter if she is in the strolller or walking with me. We just talk all of the time...
Is it my imagination or do people really look at me like I'm crazy when I have my baby in the sling and I am talking away to her? Maybe most people don't talk to their babies?

Umm Zaynab
post #28 of 88
"It is nearly impossible to do some things without a stroller-- like the things you mentioned, or a day at an amusement park, or a trip on an airplane that involves also dragging a carry-on bag and changing planes multiple times."

That is ridiculous! At the amusement park you can wear an Ergo or wrap carrier. On an airplane I honestly do not understand how you think using a stroller in an airport is EASIER than a carrier. Personally I don't like having to lug around a huge stroller when I could just put my baby on my back. Another example i live in the Maple capital of Ontario and there was a huge maple festival a couple of weeks ago. We were there for hours with Olivia either on my back or front in the Mei Tai. She was right up there with me, experiencing everything and involved in the conversation. Plus it was REALLY crowded and I was able to walk freely, not having to worry about guiding a stroller through the crowds of people. Everyone else was lugging around strollers and their child was totally out of all the excitement, just riding around staring at people's kneecaps.

My opinion on strollers is I feel that in most circumstances they are not needed. I really can't stand being in a mall and seeing a child in a stroller with a blank look on their face. And I watch for awhile and people don't normally talk very much to their child when they are in a stroller. IMO it keeps the child out of the line of conversation and real interaction with the world. And I can not tell you how much I HATE those bucket baby carriers. They weigh like what, 10-15 lbs? You can't pick them up and carry them? They are only little for such a short time, I don't understand why you wouldn't want to take advantage of it and hold them as much as you can. I know I'm going to get flamed for this but I am just being honest. Everyone seems to be in support of strollers so I wanted to present the other side.
post #29 of 88
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Originally Posted by Heavenly
That is ridiculous! ... My opinion on strollers is I feel that in most circumstances they are not needed....
OK, so you have an opinion on this. But do you really need to call everyone who doesn't agree with you "ridiculous"? Maybe for you they aren't needed. But for some of us they are, for lots of reasons, most of them reasonably explained here. It's OK to disagree, but please watch the name calling and judgement. Would you say this to your child?
post #30 of 88
I'm not ridiculous either. And you do have a right to your opinion.

I am so glad i changed my sig a few weeks ago
post #31 of 88
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Originally Posted by Heavenly
That is ridiculous! At the amusement park you can wear an Ergo or wrap carrier. On an airplane I honestly do not understand how you think using a stroller in an airport is EASIER than a carrier. Personally I don't like having to lug around a huge stroller when I could just put my baby on my back. Another example i live in the Maple capital of Ontario and there was a huge maple festival a couple of weeks ago. We were there for hours with Olivia either on my back or front in the Mei Tai. She was right up there with me, experiencing everything and involved in the conversation. Plus it was REALLY crowded and I was able to walk freely, not having to worry about guiding a stroller through the crowds of people. Everyone else was lugging around strollers and their child was totally out of all the excitement, just riding around staring at people's kneecaps.
Well, people CAN do anything they want if their ability allows.

I think you should be aware of those of us who have more than one child, have to spend all day with a baby in the sling on one side, the diaper bag on the other side, and have to also hold a 4 year old and 2 year old's hands, bend down to do things for them, possibly pick them up to show them things (like in teh National Zoo where NOTHING is eye-level appropriate for children), carry food or shopping... how on earth do you do it all? At least the stroller can be there to carry the STUFF for a while while baby is in the sling, and then if necessity dictates I can put somebody in a stroller as a seat, for a diaper change (please don't tell me to use the filthy bathroom changing tables), etc.

The carseat/bucket things make less sense to me because, like you said, they weigh a TON. Restaurants (which I almost never go to anyway) are the only time I even use the thing outside of the car, unless we have just come home from someplace and the baby fell asleep in the carseat, if I don't want to wake her up with the transition to bed, I carry the seat inside. Some people have babies who scream and cry a lot so I can understand not wanting to wake them up when they get to, say, the grocery store, and putting them on the shopping cart. My baby is very easy-going and will fall right back to sleep easily in the sling so I sling her in the grocery store, but if I were to take her out of the seat and then transfer to the cold surface of the bed she might not be so happy.

As for airports, I don't get what people are saying when they say they have to "carry" a stroller through an airport. If I'm not going to actually use it in the airport I check it with my luggage. Why would anyone have to carry it, I don't get it? All you have to do is roll it right to the door of the plane, where the flight attendants fold it up and take it fold it up and put it in the luggage compartment and then when I get off it's there again for me at the door of the plane. The only pain is having to take everythign out of it and folding it up to go through security, I wish it would be enough to just roll it through the metal detector but they want it on the conveyor belt in the X-ray thing. But actually they make me take the baby out of the sling then too and make me put the sling on the X-ray and if I'm carrying a child who can walk (no matter how young) they make me put her down and force her to walk through by herself. (Or is this all just because I'm Muslim and they think I've got a bomb strapped to me instead of a baby?)

But again, even if traveling with my husband (although I have also traveled with 2, and pregnant, alone several times... never again!) we have to deal with at least 2 carryons in addition to having to do hand-holding, ticket balancing, and speed-racing from one gate to the exit. Oh God, and when we fly internationally I can't imagine... a full 24-hour trip usually... I always take my babies as lap infants because we just can't afford a seat for them, but having any place to put them down for a bit while they're sleeping is SUCH a relief on the back, neck, and arms when you have to try to sleep through a 10-hour flight or a 7-hour layover in Amsterdam.

I agree with the rest of what you said, but I think you need to distinguish between the people who overuse and abuse the stroller and indeed DON'T interact with their children at all, ever, and those who make judicious use of it. I do love that the slings keep my kids at eye-level so that they can be talked to and interact like regular people, not talked "at" as somebody peers into the stroller and baby-talks a few dumb sentences to them.

Again, it's dangerous to assume things about people you don't know and of whose circumstances you are unaware. A blank-faced kiddo in a stroller may also just be tired. I have a baby already in sling and my 2 yo gets tired and can't walk in a straight line so I put her in the stroller where she zones out while I get to where I need to be without her walking into walls (literally).

Umm Zaynab
post #32 of 88
" I really can't stand being in a mall and seeing a child in a stroller with a blank look on their face. And I watch for awhile and people don't normally talk very much to their child when they are in a stroller. IMO it keeps the child out of the line of conversation and real interaction with the world."

You're right. I probably do talk to dd less when she is in a stroller. In our case, at least, I don't think this is a bad thing. Dd and I are both talkers. We never shut up. It's a relief for me, and I suspect for her too, to just be quiet sometimes and let the world roll by.

Do I advocate this as a way of life? Of course not. But please don't judge people when you don't know the specifics of their situation.

If you don't like strollers, don't use them. Same goes for slings.
post #33 of 88
Its so nice when people cut and paste different parts of posts to make their point. I SAID that it is ridiculous to say that it is nearly impossible to do some things without a stroller. That was what was I was saying was ridiculous and I stand behind it. IMO it IS ridiculous to say that it is impossible to go to an amusement park or an airport without a stroller.
post #34 of 88
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Originally Posted by Ellie'sMom
" You're right. I probably do talk to dd less when she is in a stroller. In our case, at least, I don't think this is a bad thing. Dd and I are both talkers. We never shut up. It's a relief for me, and I suspect for her too, to just be quiet sometimes and let the world roll by.
Sorry I just had to comment that what you said here goes oh so well with the "blah blah blah" smiley in your sig! Hehehehe. So cute!
post #35 of 88
Heavenly - next time we go to the zoo, you can sling or carry my 45 lb 2 yo all day.

You have no idea how much it breaks my heart that I cannot carry her as much as she wants. Do you know how it feels to tell her that I cannot carry her all the time? Should I just not take her places like the zoo because I have to use a stroller due to her size when she doesn't want to walk anymore? I would much rather take her and have the stroller available as an OPTION.
post #36 of 88
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Originally Posted by UmmZaynab
But actually they make me take the baby out of the sling then too and make me put the sling on the X-ray and if I'm carrying a child who can walk (no matter how young) they make me put her down and force her to walk through by herself. (Or is this all just because I'm Muslim and they think I've got a bomb strapped to me instead of a baby?)
Nah, I've had to do this too. Ever had to do this alone? Here's my 2 yr. old and my 4 yr. old on the other side of the metal detector, calmly waiting for mama (the guards weren't even paying attention to them - at all!) - and the #@$(*#$(*& thing malfunctions and they keep holding me up - I swear if my kids had started to walk away I wouldn't care about the stupid guard, I'd be through the checkpoint in a second. The metal detectors are set so sensitive in the Honolulu International Airport, that if there is a breeze through the (open air) airport, they go off! And I don't know about your stroller, but mine has metal in it so it wouldn't work to send it through the detector. A friend of mine has a 13yo with cerebral palsy who is totally wheelchair bound, you should see the trouble he has to go through at the airport (we've travelled together before).

Sometimes my kids would be in the stroller (we don't need one anymore, don't get me going on 4yo+ kids in strollers at the mall) and looking kind of spazzy - sometimes there are things I need to get done and yes, I do opt for the convenience of my kids spazzing in the stroller for half an hour while I get something done. It is dangerous to assume that the person you see doing this has been doing it for hours, or does it every day, or every week for that matter.
post #37 of 88
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Originally Posted by UmmZaynab
possibly pick them up to show them things (like in teh National Zoo where NOTHING is eye-level appropriate for children),
T I don't do zoos much, but I have noticed this. We were at a local little amusement park the other day, and they have some harbour seals there. I was so happy to see that the enclosure walls were glass *to the ground.* I didn't have to pick the kids up one at a time, propped on my preggo belly, so they could see the animals! For places where glass wasn't feasible, they had the actual fence, then a gap, then a nice big wooden post fence that was super easy for the kids to climb, and the animal areas were all a bit higher on a slope than the walkway, so it was easy to see them.
post #38 of 88
I agree, I don't think there's a problem with strollers so much as "container babies." DH goes to the park every day and sees mothers who leave their babies in strollers for hours with no interaction, even gives them a bottle in there. And my MIL who works in Wal-Mart says she sees babies pushed around in carriers for HOURS on end while their mother shops, basically ignoring them.

It seems like it's becoming a cultural thing to avoid holding and interacting with your baby and unfortuately, strollers can be mis-used in this way. But in my life they definately have their place.

Tamara
post #39 of 88
Well, other than a couple of reactive posts that seem to have died down now...I really hope this thread puts to rest the MYTH that you can't be AP and use a stroller. I honestly don't know where stuff like this comes from.

The only issue I have with strollers is that so many parents don't realize that there are other ways to transport a baby. And I feel bad for them, as in they don't know what they are missing. I don't think they are crappy parents.

Frankly, slinging a baby is just so much more interactive. While we did get a stroller when DD was 8 months old, and we still use it at the zoo, long walks, etc...I find it odd to have her facing away from me. And when the sunhood is up (necessary in summertime) I can only see her through the little window in the back of the hood. I really DO feel that I can't interact with her, and I miss how we used to be able to do that when I was slinging her. Mostly we walk together, which is lovely. But when I see mamas with tiny babies in strollers, I often wonder if they have any idea what a pleasure it can be to sling a baby. I hate it when I see newborns in those combo things that are carseat and stroller together with the two sunshades that meet in the middle so basically the baby sees NOTHING and nobody sees it, either. I'm sure they have their reasons, and I don't need to hear long posts about all the possible reasons why. It just makes me sad, that's all.

And I do think strollers are usually a pain in the butt - always have to search for the elevators instead of taking the stairs. Difficulty navigating narrow store aisles, etc. Still, I'm just not up to slinging my 2 year old much, especially now that I'm pregnant. And she really does love her stroller. She gets very protective of it.
post #40 of 88
My ds1 and dd spent a lot of time in the double side-by-side stroller, until the front wheels fell off (on a scorching hot day, when I was 6 months pregnant with #3 and far from home ). That was when they were almost 3 and 5 years old. People often said that my 4yo was too old to be in the stroller, but that was our form of transportation. WE don't have a car and the kids couldn't walk all the way across town at that age, and we did/still do a lot of walking across town to get groceries or go to the library or park or wherever. It just made me angry that people would make comments to my son about him being too big to be in a stroller. How else were we supposed to get around, do our shopping etc? WE did do slinging with them as well, but it wasn't always practical.

Now ds is 5 and he walks, dd is 3 and she goes in the stroller if we are going long distances, and ds2 is in the sling.
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