Bothered by pro-choice comm.s? - Page 11

[pie]

If I go to hell for not believing and Hitler goes to heavan on the off chance he did, I will burn happily. I am not kidding. Someone must have added that in to coerce some pagans or something. I am sorry. I am done discussing that, it really makes me angry. Not at you NM.

[Super Pickle]

But NM we have to remember when explaining salvation that Salvation is just the beginning, there is then Sanctification.

If a person's life does not begin to bear the fruit of the Holy Spirit (love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness, and self-control) after conversion, or if there is no turning from sin, then there is a big problem and this is not God's plan.

I'm gonna post this again in Spirituality under a new thread so this one can get back to pro-choice commercials ( ummm, yeah, that's all we've talked about on this thread

[pie]

so what about Ghandi? The Dalai Lama? Etc? Your basic people of peace of other faiths? Are they burning? Are they roasting because they did not buy it?

[pie]

NM I appreciate your patience. I appreciate your beliefs. But my god is not that way. No way. That is a bunch of bunk. A god like that is not worth believing in to me. No way.

I have accepted Christ before. So does it still count? Or would I need to be born again for the ticket to the palace in the sky?

You can't get to heaven on roller skates, right?

[pie]

[steph]

T wow! are we wittnessing a conversion here? nm ministering to pie! this is scary! love you both, but oh man, pie, if you start quoting scripture.... well, i don't know

[EFmom]

mamapie,

As you know, Christianity comes in many flavors. NM and some others may not feel that works matter, but many Christians believe that works are essential to salvation.

[merpk]

... by mamapie
... Can someone who gets by doing no or very few good deeds get in through the pearly gates if they accept Christ?

M'pie, I read a book a long (very long) time ago by a former Christian minister (I forget the denomination) who lapsed and then converted to another religion (which shall remain nameless) because he was offended by a teaching ... he understood that the Jewish children who died in the gas chambers in WWII would not "go to heaven" because they were not "saved." But if Eichmann, say, or Mengele, perhaps, accepted their savior, they would.

It's expected that I'd have a hard time with that concept. I'm not Christian. And since the concept seems to be the end-game on this thread, maybe someone could explain it to me.

NM? I hope the question ... and the way this post is worded and punctuated ... doesn't offend. It's a very indelicate subject and I'm trying to ask it delicately. Please forgive if it's ... upsetting. I don't mean to upset or insult, it's just that your discussion with MP has opened the door to my finally getting an answer to the question ... the author of that book did not shed any more light on it in his book, so I've always wondered if he was stating the theological idea accurately.

- Amy

[Irishmommy]

Amyrpk, I'm not speaking for anyone but myself here, but I think your first paragraph is a load of cobblers, insofar as I totally disagree with the theory stated. I'm Catholic (practising), but I don't agree with all the Church's stances. I really don't believe that God will turn anyone away as long as they have followed His commandments (regardless of religion, love your neighbour is pretty universal). The Church has also stopped it's teaching of limbo (where unbaptized babies go if they die - no hope of ever reaching heaven). I truely believe that a person who lives a good life, even if they never step into a place of worship, or are "saved", will get to heaven long before someone who goes to mass/church regularly, but hurts their kids/others, whatever. I'm pretty sure heaven is filled with good people of every and no religion, and hell is filled with the evil people, regardless of practice of faith. However, the RC church also has purgatory, where those in the grey area go until they are ready for heaven. I figure people could be in there for a very long time.

Does this make any sense whatsoever?

[hydrangea]

Hey, this is all very interesting, but would you mind taking this conversation to a different thread? I know this is in the spirituality forum, but this has turned into spirituality with no relation to the thread topic. I'd just unsubscribe from the thread, but I'm afraid I'll miss something that (in my opinion) has relevance to me.

Thanks, and I hope I haven't offended anyone.