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post #21 of 34
5/31/04 at 2:08pm
Refusal of Recommended Vaccines
post #22 of 34
6/1/04 at 5:38pm
I found the document that the AAP puts out. Here is an excerpt:

[Documenting Parental Refusal to Accept Vaccination

All parents and patients should be informed about the risks and benefits of preventive and therapeutic procedures, including vaccination. In the case of vaccination, federal law mandates this discussion. Despite the health care provider’s best efforts to explain its importance, some families may refuse vaccination for their children. The use of this or a similar form, demonstrating the importance you place on appropriate immunizations and focusing the parent's attention on the unnecessary risk for which they are accepting responsibility, may in some instances induce a wavering parent to accept your recommendations.]

This is pdf (you need to have Adobe Acrobat to view)

http://www.cispimmunize.org/pro/pdf/...Vaccinate2.pdf

As to the line in the document:

"I know that failure to follow the recommendations about vaccination may endanger the health or life of my child and others that my child might come in contact with."

There is always the choice to draw a line through it and simply initial next to it.

*Or you could write this statement in:

I have investigated the risks and benefits of the vaccines and diseases.
post #23 of 34
6/1/04 at 5:53pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by gilnikche
All parents and patients should be informed about the risks and benefits of preventive and therapeutic procedures, including vaccination.
I can't help but notice that this says, "RISKS" as well as benfits. It then goes on to say that, "Despite the health care provider’s best efforts to explain its importance, some families may refuse vaccination for their children."

It's a shame we don't see their "best efforts" to explain the risks. It's no surprise that docs feel vax benefits outweigh the risks, but the fact that they sidestep the law and leave out the risks, or gloss over them is just sick.
post #24 of 34
6/3/04 at 2:17am
The form that Carla posted was the one I signed with our mainstream ped. who has been pretty supportive so far. (He has a son with Asberger's, I suspect he wonders about the cause although we've never discussed it.)

I did draw a line through that offensive sentance and wrote a paragraph of my own citing our extensive research, that vax coverage routinely "fails", we bf and don't day care, and that the risks of vaccine reactions are very real, especially for our DS with an autoimmune disorder and family history: DH had seizures as a child (which could very well have been from vax).

Still bothered me to sign it, but I realize if I want to stay in the system I had to play by their rules.
post #25 of 34
6/4/04 at 6:49pm
I also signed this paper at my DS2s 2 month well check. The ped tried to talk me into getting the vaxes and said that it was up to me, but there was a paper I needed to sign. :

I did remember reading the offensive paragraph others have mentioned, but I guess I didn't think it was as bad as everyone has been saying. Maybe I should have read it more carefully.

I'm wondering what is worse getting coerced into giving your child vaxes or signing a paper that says you know the risks of not following the advice of the doctor?

I went to his 4 month well check yesterday and this time the NP tried to get me to start his vaxes. I told her I still wanted to wait because he has a cold. She said it was OK to give the shots when he has a cold. I think I need to find a new ped., one who won't try to harass me about vaxes. I'm new to this whole refusing vaxes issue as my other two are fully vaxed :
post #26 of 34
6/6/04 at 12:17pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gitti

is there an updated version of this? says last modified jan 2001.
post #27 of 34
6/6/04 at 3:16pm
What happens if you refuse to sign the vax form?

I haven't taken ds for vaxes since he was 6 mos. and at 9 mos I told them I wanted to wait because he had a cold at the time. I'm trying to be prepared for when I go with the new baby.
post #28 of 34
6/6/04 at 7:03pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by beebs
is there an updated version of this? says last modified jan 2001.
I don't think anything has changed since then, so there would be no need for an update.

C.
post #29 of 34
6/7/04 at 1:36pm
I went to my DS 6 month well baby check and they had me sign a paper as well. But I read it carefully, it was very short maybe 4 lines typed. I was very surprised because they form was very formal, it had already been preprinted and everything. Also, the wording wasn't bad at all. It just stated that we were informed of the risks and benefits of the vaxes but that we were choosing not to get the shots. And that I take full responsability for not getting vaxed. I had no problem at all signing it, that is pretty much what my exeption forms say. Had I felt the form was saying I was neglecting the health of my child I wouldn't have signed it.

Also, I was plesantly surprised at how little resistance I got from the ped (I see a different one each time). She tried to talk me into getting the Hib saying she had personaly seen many kids suffer bla bla, I just said no thank you, we are still doing research. She ask me to research the Hib. She felt they were all necessary but that the Hib was the most important. I didn't feel too pressured, which was good.

*ETA* I hate people who are 2 faced... this doc sucks... (see my thread called "Doctor called my house...")
post #30 of 34
6/7/04 at 2:11pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by suschi
I don't think anything has changed since then, so there would be no need for an update.

C.
I noticed one part mentioned that the Injury Compensation program had paid out over 1 billion dollars "to date." I imagine that's changed. Not that that's a huge point or anything, but it just pays to have all your ducks in a row. There might be other things on that form that aren't quite right, as well.
post #31 of 34
6/7/04 at 5:48pm
I was only asked to sign the form after stating I was refusing all vaxes. When I only mentioned delaying I wasn't asked to sign anything. I shouldn't have signed but at the time I was just glad they didn't give me too much of a hard time. It said my doctor discussed vaccinations with me and that I still am refusing their recommended medical treatment and that I know all risks of refusing said treatment.

It's a standard fill in the blank medical treatment refusal form. If I refused stitches it would say I refused stitches after my doc discussed it with me where it said vax.

As for blood tests I'm ok with medically necessary ones but if the doc just feels like running a cbc I'm against it for discomfort of my child.
post #32 of 34
6/8/04 at 4:15am
don't use a pediatrician, use a family doctor close to retirement
part of the ped's training is to ask and push vax, an older family dr will not have had that training and will have seen enough patients come and go they will have seen kids live through chicken pox KWIM???

ask a chiropractor to reccomend one to you
post #33 of 34
6/9/04 at 4:01am
The AAP website suggests that this form should be used as a tool to for the doctor to convince parents TO vaccinate. Here is the form, copyrighted 2002, and the suggestions of the AAP to physicians.
Current AAP refusal form

Dr's can print it right from the site or order pads from the AAP. :
Order Your Pad Today

Besides the "I understand I'm endagering my child" statement, this also bothers me...
Quote:
My child's health care provider, has advised me that my child (named above) should receive the following vaccines:
It doesn't say "my dr had advised me the AAP, CDC, etc recommends my child receive these vaccines". It says I have been told my child SHOULD receive these vaccines, I understand that, yet am refusing anyway. Luckily, my DD's ped has not yet asked us to sign one, though she mentioned it in the prenatal appt (18 mos ago).

Secondly, how many of you have been given the CDC's Vaccine Information Sheet? I never have. And, the time the nurse tried vaxing DD, she came with a tray of needles, without me given any info in advance.
post #34 of 34
6/9/04 at 11:37am
I agree with Vanna. I have never taken dd to a pediatrician and won't take the next one either. It took some searching, but I found a family practice MD who practices both conventional AND alternative medicine. NO AAP posters on his walls! If you are around nashville and looking for a doc, his website is http://www.pmpc.net/ . He's the only doc there, so he is who you will see every time
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