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post #41 of 60
The key maybe is not to not take small children to pools? It's becoming a fashion I don't understand. It's so stupid to loose a child that way! Maybe it's the myth children have to learn everything early?
post #42 of 60
Another bad "floatie" story and why I don't use them with my kids. Kids who wear them often get used to having them on and sometimes can forget that they are not wearing them and jump in, not being able to swim on their own with out them.

This happened at a pool party I went to with my oldest dd about 6 years ago. Only myself and one other mother were actually sitting on the side of the pool watching the children (maybe 15-20+ children all around 4 yrs). One girl had been swimming with floaties or a vest (I can't remember which) and came out and took it off. She didn't realize that she wasn't wearing it (she'd gotten used to it) and jumped in the deep end. I didn't know her and didn't know if she could swim or not but guessed probably not since I knew she had something on earlier to help her in the water. When I saw her start to sink (and quickly), I jumped in and pulled her out. I was really angry with the party hosts since they weren't even watching their own children in their pool.

Since that, I hesitate to use any kind of vest or floatie since it gives them a false sense of security. I can see life preservers in a boat but other than that, I either stick to them like glue or we pass on the pool/beach. I live in NJ. very close to the beach. but we haven't been in years, since I know I can't properly supervise 3 children (10, 4 and 1) on my own.
post #43 of 60
on sat my nieghbors 18mth old dd drowned in Valle Vista Ca. He mom is a firefighter here and her dad is a police officer. Her mom found her floating in the pool

you can find their story in the press enterprise newspaper today

for everyone who has a backyard pool and thinks it IS SAFE, this is the dc of a firefighter and police officer who are very careful parents

thank you for starting this thread
post #44 of 60
Thread Starter 
I just looked up the article on press enterprise. It said she was in stable condition as of Sat July 10th. Is this still the case? I hope so. (((((hugs))))) to her and her family. How sad!!!
post #45 of 60
they did not release any more info, local press is being considerate to the family, lots of people praying for this lil girl to come home in good condition
post #46 of 60
It isn't just home pools. We were at a very small local pool. We were in the deep end which was 2 ft. My dd was cold and wouldn't touch the water. So we were just milling baout while my older two swimmed. (my older one is technically too old but they let close older siblings in or kids old enough to supervise (14 and up I think) SO it was crowded but there were three life guard on duty. The two pools are devided up into two 15x15 sections. One life gaurd stands on a bridge in the middle, one at the 11" end watching the kids on the slide and one at the deep end on a chair. So my kids are swimming and my baby is milling about. My friends, whose kid was old enough to play with out direct parent involvment asked me a question and I turned around to answer (don't know what I was thinking!) 30 second i tell ya. And one says "Hey is that Ava?" So then I say "where" and she says under water. Panincing I can find her. I start screaming "where is she" but no one moves to get her. The life gaurd is just picking her nose or something (she was two whole feet from us by the way) My 7 year old spots her and she is floating face up under water. It was truely the most horrifying thing I have ever seen. We both jump in (dd and I ) and big ole me jumping into 2 ft of water of course slips and wipes out. My dd grabs her and hands her to me. She is fine. Knows to hold her breath underwater at last a little while, thank goodness. I would never count on it but it did help us this time. My friend wraps us in a towel and comforts us etc. . In the meantime the life gaurd, sitting two feet from us is none the wiser that ANYTHING unusual has happened. (we pay them why?) A little girl, 8 or 9 comes over to see if everyone was OK and if we needed anything. A 9 year old for heavens sake is more concerned than the life gaurd. granted I should have been watching my baby better. No doubt about it. But what the heck are the life guards there for if they don't jump in to save a drowning baby? These are pools with kds predominately between the ages of 6 months and 4 years. Lots of them ofthen without adequate supervision. (there is a 6 kids to 1 adult maximum ratio - lots of daycares really pushing that limit). SO even at a regular pool with plenty of life gaurds andother parents it can still happen. We no longer go to the pool with friends. too distracting.
post #47 of 60
post #48 of 60
Well, I'll say one thing for our local community pool. It may be in a crappy neighbourhood, but they strictly enforce a one child=one adult policy for all children under a certain age (I'm not sure exactly what that age is, but have seen them do it for kids who look about 3 or 4). I can't believe the number of groups who come in with one adult and, like, 3 young children!

As much as reading this thread makes me ill (thank god, lilyka, that ava was okay!!!) thinking about going through that, I'm so glad it is here.
post #49 of 60
My dh was a lifeguard for 6 years, and at the pool he worked at, the kids weren't allowed to use those stupid water wings for 2 reasons. 1) is that they give kids a false sense of security, and 2) is that the way those wings sit on their arms interferes with their arm motions.
post #50 of 60
Water wings arent allowed at our pool either. Thank God. As it is, many parents let their kids roam, while they lie down, snooze and tan. I saw one woman yesterday put the stupid wing things on, plop her 3 year old in 4ft water, then proceed to lie down and snooze. It didnt take long for the lifegurad to tell the woman no float devices, and she about had a fit.

I will never understand some people. Like i said earlier in this thread, Nicholas almost drowned right in front of me with that inflatable dolphin.

We had an above ground pool i florida. It was beautiful. However, my kids were 8 & 11, and excellent swimmers. My youngest was just born. But what kept me up at night was the pond in our back yard! It was 10 feet deep in the middle, with a sharp drop a few feet out from the shallow part. it was stocked with fish and had little minnows that my eight year old loved to catch in a cup and a little net. I had remote cameras out there, from the roof, that sent the signal to my TV, and i had a device that would alarm should someone fall or plop in. Finally, i had the damn thing filled, and it cost me almost $6000!

But peace of mind is priceless.
post #51 of 60
When I was 7 yo and my cousins were 3 yo and 10 mo, my mom, aunt, and the Tupperware lady were sitting poolside, eating sandwiches and chatting. My 3 yo cousin and I were playing in the shallow end of the pool and the baby was floating around in a turtle float. Well, I saw the float turn upside down, screamed for my aunt and started swimming towards her. My scream got my aunt's attention, she jumped in the water with her clothes on and saved the baby.

Baby could have drowned if I hadn't been there--the grownups thought they were watching us but they really weren't paying attention Fortunately she was only underwater for a few seconds so she was fine except for her ear infection getting worse.
post #52 of 60
Thanks for this thread. I just finished swimming lesssons with both my kids this summer and they seem so much more comfortable in the water, but I am aware that with this comes a new danger. Because they are children, they don't know their own limitations. (They are 2 and 4.) So, now my 4 year old loves to jump in the big pool all by herself and go under the water, then comes up and is fine as long as an adult is there to grab her and put her back on the wall. But what if she decides to just do it on her own? I will not let her out of my sight at the pool. What do they say? A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. I think swim lessons are VERY important, but in the meantime between now and a few years from now, when they can really swim, they have to be watched even more carefully. Edie
post #53 of 60
ITA with most everything here.

A couple of things I wanted to share

The best thing my kids camp does is have a day when they have to jump in the pool with all of their clothes, including shoes on! This is one on one supervised with a lifegaurd for each child (they do 3 at a time). It helps kids who fall into a pool or lake or from a boat know what to do. They teach how to kick off their shoes and get out of heavy clothing. Its a great idea and was worth the price of camp.

Me and my girlfriend watch our kids like hawks at the pool, even though they are not babies and can swim well. One day my friend says to me : "I know I won't need to watch Danielle in the pool when she's 21, but somehow I just don't believe it." LOL!!!
post #54 of 60
I don't know if this has already been mentioned, if so I apoligize. But it's not just beaches, lakes and pool that parents and caregivers need to REALLY supervise (supervise as in being within arms reach and in sight). Bathtubs, toliets and buckets of water are also killers. I remember last summer a little boy went head first into a buck while grandma was cleaning house. It was too late for that little boy. When my second baby was only about 18 months old, I was kneeling down by the bathtub and she went under. Only under a second, if that, but had I been blow drying my hair or stepped out for a minute ... who knows. I have never been comfortable leaving them alone in the bathtub EVER. When she went under, she did so very quietly. I was very happy that *I* was within arm's reach to quickly pull her back up. It isn't always the case. There was another situation a few summers ago where the mom went DOWNSTAIRS to answer the door. I forget how old her baby was but she left him/her in the tub. The child also died. I wish more parents and caregivers would take water more seriously.
post #55 of 60
Bumping because this is important!
post #56 of 60
Thread Starter 
nice to see these threads bumped again. i've tried to bump or repost them every year - i am glad someone remembered!
post #57 of 60
I understand being alert and present minded. That is important.

Let's not be blinded by fear though. I've been hearing so much fear from mothers IRL and on MDC lately I just wanted to remind us to be attentive but not so fearful. I've heard about fear of drowning in a toilet, fear of going to a pool at all with young children, fear of playing outside, fear of walking in the woods, fear of spiders and little critters, fear of dogs and wild animals, fear of the sun exposure, and on and on. Let your children explore and have fun and experience nature and of course, be mindful along the way to take care of ourselves and each other.

Have a fun and safe summer!
post #58 of 60
Glad to see this thread bumped. My older son almost drowned in a pool last year, with three completely sober and attentive adults present. It really only takes a second, and it is completely silent.
post #59 of 60
Thread Starter 
Hey I am all about not getting sucked into the fear, but I must say Marybeth I find your post to be a little off if you look at the context of this thread.

This is a *scientific* study which shows that most children drown while supervised. Its not a "don't take your kids to the pool" thread.
post #60 of 60
Bumping this again, because the information in the OP is important.
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