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post #21 of 28
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phathui5-

Yepppppp!!!! THis is the consistent advice I've been givin'.......get her onto lvl 3......

Thanks for your hepl!!!!!!
mp
post #22 of 28
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warrior princess-
I would check with your library to see if they carry a revised edition Of TWTM....or maybe do an interlibrary loan........

I agree with following the dc's interest...I will mesh this in with her " program".

Late,sleepy........

mp
post #23 of 28
We do a lot of R&S 3 orally, since much of the writing seems to be classroom busywork (you know, the sort of thing the teachers need to keep everyone occupied). The Teacher's Manual will give you plenty of scripting without being overbearing. For those of us who are grammatically challenged it gives little tidbits that help you keep ahead of your kids. Much of the 1st part of R&S 3 is a repeat of FLL's 2nd year. The last part of the book is writing descriptive paragraphs, etc. The exercises seem very similar to some of Writing Strands 3.

I never checked out Shurley because the comments I heard about the jingles made me think they're not for me. I'm not downing the program here, just saying it isn't for me. There's been much discussion of Shurley, etc., on the WTM forums at www.welltrainedmind.com and also in the WTM yahoo group.

Dd is supposedly finishing up 3rd grade and we're about halfway through SOTW2. We tend to linger over various chapters, reading many extra books, doing many activities. At our current rate we'll be going through the history sequence twice instead of 3 times. I think there are worse things in life/homeschooling than not making it through history 3 times .
post #24 of 28
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Thanks Queen Gwen-
I was hoping you would reply. I didn't expect to see that you use R&S as I thought you leaned towards the secular, and I thought R&S was heavily Christian(Mennonite?). As a Catholic who is self labeled a "crunchy conservative", I,at first shyed away from R&S purely based on their name.....it seemed waaaaaay toooo militant right for us.
I am confused about what we will choose, the Shurley program does appeal to me simply because of the "jingles"....dd would be ssooooooooo into that. But perhaps, I could look for "jingles" w/o the program!!! LOL!!!!! BUt whatever, I have decided that she will be starting a 3rd grade program, as she is flying through FLL......almost through 1st grade in two weeks. THis kid has a memory that I would die for!!!!!!!!LOL!!!!!

mp
post #25 of 28
You might do very well with the Shurley jingles...one of the criticisms that I recall was that various jingles have similar lines in them ("easy as can be" comes to mind) which can cause you to jump track and end up in the wrong jingle. This sort of thing happens often here in, for example, Prima Latina prayers -- a single Latin word that is common to several prayers can totally derail my younger dd. It sounds as though your dd does a better job on memorization.

And, one gripe I have about R&S is the lack of jingles. They just state "memorize the forms of to be". Fortunately we knew the chant from FLL -- am(clap) is(clap) are,was,were(clap) be(clap) being(clap) been(clap clap). So, R&S is sort of dry from that viewpoint. Sometimes I add in some Montessori or Waldorf stuff to give it pizzazz. Also, they call statements "telling sentences", which annoys me for some reason. On the plus side we are learning to diagram sentences, and there's enough composition to ditch Writing Strands -- not that we ever DID Writing Strands, but now I don't feel guilty about skipping it.

The religious aspect of R&S is okay if you're Christian (I've heard their history is offensive to Catholics, don't know about the English -- we're Protestant, so I don't tend to notice those things). They use Bible stories to illustrate various points, like "find the simple subject and simple predicate in these sentences" followed by 10 sentences telling about Noah's ark or somesuch. They don't proselytize about the stuff, though, any more than a secular text would try to convert you to belief in fairy tales or Charlotte's Web. These are simply stories they use because they are common in the culture for which the texts are written...EVERYBODY (Mennonite/Christian) knows Paul and Silas sang in a prison, right? No need to explain why or when they sang or why it's important to YOU that they did this -- it's just a story everybody knows, so they use it. The nonBiblical parts reflect Mennonite culture -- big families, farm life, girls clean and cook, boys help Dad, missionary trips, church attendance, the people in the pictures all wear conservative Mennonite clothing (long sleeves, long pants for boys, longish dresses for girls, headcoverings for women). We were at the zoo last week and saw a family that looked as though they just popped out of the pages of R&S, which dd thought was very cool.
post #26 of 28
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Queen Gwen-
Oh my!!!!!!!

I just received my sample packet from R&S,along with the catalog.

You weren't kidding when you said it would be okay if you were Christian....that it depicts the "conservative,rural life of Mennonites"(sorry...paraphrasing)! As I was going over it I thought...ooooookayyyyy..hmmmmmm. It just seems soooooo old fashioned,conservative,soooooo strict-like. I had visions of kids not paying attention to what their mom's were teaching them, and therefore getting smacked on the hand. WEll, that is my *first* impression-and I do have a fever and Aunt Flo is around the corner...so I am in a cranky place right now!! :-)

My RLF is unwilling to lend me her copy of Shurley due to the fact that they are still using it.

The new Rainbow Resources makes Shurley sound so easy and complete!

And, after dh took a look at R&S,he said he will fork out the money for Shurley to avoid the conservative influence that R&S would have. (??????) BUt in reality, he's still adjusting to me converting to Catholicism.....so the "BIblical topics" are a bit touchy at our house right now!!

It comes down to money,writing, and jingles!!!!!!! Gee...it sounds so easy!!!

mp
post #27 of 28
I gotta tell you about MY first impression...I had purchased a used copy off of ebay, with no idea what it was like. So these books arrive, and they SMELL. Mothballs and old spit, sort of like someone was storing them in with old clothes and dentures. Add that to the pictures, and you have quite the sense-around experience. Plus they had been scribbled in with black crayon, which gave them a truly anti-Waldorf flair. I had a mental image of an overly-repressed little kid marking them up whenever the parent's back was turned, a demonic glint in his/her eye ("hah! I shall smite Moses right offa this page!").

It's taken me months to recover. I finally managed to get the smell out, btw.
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