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post #21 of 33
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Originally Posted by mollyeilis
Sadly, it turned out that the LM that attended my labor seemed to believe in this. Every time I said NO to her suggestions it seemed she held it against me.

It's not just doctors.
I know. I count myself lucky that I had a true midwife.

You had a MEDWIFE.

I am so sorry for you.
post #22 of 33
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A second opinion is not really a second opinion when it comes from another doctor.
And my favorite: "Never threaten or otherwise alarm a physician in a manner that could interfere with the treatment you are receiving." :LOL What could that mean? What if you don't shave and it "alarms" him?
Love it Greaseball...ggod for you.

Dr. Robert S. Mendelsohn said that it would take an army of psychiatrists to figure out what doctors had against pubic hair since they were always shaving it off despite the evidence to the contrary with eighty years of medical studies that concluded shaving causes more problems with bacteria, infection and discomfort...and then he said he could not figure out psychiatrists!

"So, please do not alarm the doctor" - this statement reminds me of not feeding the dumb animals in the zoo. In the zoo, the animals are already fed a balanced diet. The doctor is already too confused to handle any more information since he cannot handle the "load" he already has.
post #23 of 33
off topic:

"You had a MEDWIFE."

Turns out, yes.

Oddly, I had fired a CNM at 28 weeks, thinking I was getting rid of a medwife. I hired a well recommended licensed midwife practice, believing that they were true midwives. I asked almost all the questions, got what I thought were all the answers, and was confident. Until I realized I'd have the younger, newer midwife and the apprentice for my labor, and until they showed up doing strange things.

Sometimes you can't tell until it's too late.
post #24 of 33
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Originally Posted by copslass
Doctor? What doctor???

The LAST thing a healthy pg woman needs is a doctor. Haven't gone near one during pg for almost 19 years... Thanks for the reminder why. Run for your lives, literally!

Btw, you guys are hilarious!

i couldn't stop thinking about your post, copslass. while i respect your feelings and values about going to a dr., even healthy pregnant women can have serious complications with pregnancy. i was a healthy, 23 yo when i was pregnant with my first and had i not been going to a dr. regularly, i and my baby would have died due to severe pre-e. as it turned i had to deliver 7 wks early b/c of it. so, to say that a dr is the last thing a healthy pg woman needs, i feel, is quite misleading. just wanted to share.
post #25 of 33
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Originally Posted by 3boyz4us
i couldn't stop thinking about your post, copslass. while i respect your feelings and values about going to a dr., even healthy pregnant women can have serious complications with pregnancy. i was a healthy, 23 yo when i was pregnant with my first and had i not been going to a dr. regularly, i and my baby would have died due to severe pre-e. as it turned i had to deliver 7 wks early b/c of it. so, to say that a dr is the last thing a healthy pg woman needs, i feel, is quite misleading. just wanted to share.
I am sorrry about your complications and glad you and your baby are ok! But I have to say, a midwife would have caught your pre-e at a prenatal, just as your Dr. did. The only difference between prenatals with a midwife vs. an OB/sugeon is with a midwife, you usally spend an hour at a pre-natal, comparred to the stanard 6-minute appt. with an OB. The standard of care is simply superior with a midwife.

At that point, when your syptoms were pointing to pre-e, your care would have been transferred over to a high-risk specialist, an OB. My midwives took far more time explaining the signs to watch for than my OB ever did.

I have to agree with Copslass, healthy pregnant women are not best cared for by doctors. We are blessed to have the option of OB's should our pregnancies/health go south on us, but healthy pregnancies do not belong in a surgeons care.
post #26 of 33
watermamma --- i agree that a midwife's care would be/is far better than an md/ob's. but copslass specifically said doctors and that is what i was referring to....also, if i had access to a midwife i would go to her in a heartbeat, but i don't have that luxery (sp) and NOT getting pre-natal care isn't an option for me. but i hear what you're saying about the care of a midwife...i am a RN and if i were to ever further my education it would be to become a midwife, but they are not "legal" in my state. so anyway, sorry i didn't make that more clear.
post #27 of 33
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i and my baby would have died due to severe pre-e. as it turned i had to deliver 7 wks early b/c of it.
Thank you for sharing.

I honestly cannot speak to your personal case, but...

...the fact of the matter is eclampsia and pre-eclampsia are primarily due to poor diet, lack of protein, lack of salt, poor liver functions and weight restrictions. Dr. Brewer proved this over twenty years ago and demanded that none of his patients restrict their weight gain. He successfully wiped out eclampsia and pre-eclampsia in his patients.

Doctors are trusted to give nutritional advice, but most midwives and dietitians are more versed in giving advice on nutrition.
post #28 of 33
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Originally Posted by applejuice
...the fact of the matter is eclapsia and pre-eclapsia are primarily due to poor diet, lack of protein, lack of salt, poor liver functions and weight restrictions. Dr. Brewer proved this over twenty years ago and demanded that none of his patients restrict their weight gain. He successfully wiped out eclapsia and pre-eclapsia in his patients..

so basically you're saying that it was MY fault that i got sick? i'm sorry, but i cannot agree with that. there was a discussion on the health and healing forum started by a mom (gossamer) who lost her baby due to pre-e and there were multiple other moms on their that said they did *everything* right and still got very sick with pre-e/e. so to me that study really doesn't do much for me, mainly b/c of the testimonials that i have read about of women who have done it all to *prevent* pre-e and still got sick. i will look for that thread and post it when i find it.


here is the Pre-Eclampsia thread. i encourage you to read it and then go and inform these women that it was something they could have prevented, especially the mom who started the thread who's baby died. i'm sorry if this sounds snippy, but it's a bit insensitive to say that to someone who was healthy and still got sick, as it was with all the women on that thread.
post #29 of 33
I said "primarily" due to diet, etc.

I never said it was the ONLY cause.

I will go and read the thread; you can go and read Dr. Thomas Brewer's Book.

We will both learn something.

One of the first ways to emotionally heal from illness and/or a tragedy is to take some (not all, now!) responsiblility for it.
post #30 of 33
I wish I could think that pre-ecl could be completely prevented with diet. But, there have been quite a few studies on it and it's not been conclusive at all.

I would think that with as many women and babies that we lose to pre-ecl if it was as simple as diet, we would be doing it.
post #31 of 33
thank you, pam!


applejuice -- i don't have any healing to do, i am totally at peace with the way my first pregnancy turned out. but that doesn't mean it wouldn't still bother me that it would be implied that i did/didn't do something to cause getting sick. and for that dr to say that pre-e is "primarily" controlled/prevented by diet, i feel is just misleading. like pam said, if that were all it took, then there wouldn't be nearly as many women getting sick/dying and babies dying as there are. and for someone to take what ONE dr has "researched" as total fact is a bit foolish. now if there were multiple studies showing that his findings are indeed true, then i may be a little more inclined to believe the diet theory. and the fact that his research was done 20 yrs ago and there aren't any fewer instances of pre-e than there were then, to me says a lot as well. how many dr's are their that base their practice on 20 yr reasearch and has since been preven as a fact?

again, if i sound snippy, i'm sorry, but i have looked at his sight before and it didn't do much for me because of all the other women i have heard about that have had perfect diets and still gotten sick.
post #32 of 33
I agree with alot of what you are saying. I do not understand why you are so upset.


I hope you get my drift....I had horrible acne until I was 37 - diet did not help, nothing helped...everybody thought I ate junk food...no, it was just the way my body reacted to different things, that is all. Yet, because I ate a good diet most of the time, I really do not have the scarring I could have had. So I had a health problem that I controlled as best as I could with diet, although it was not the only answer. I did what I could, although I suffered through most of it for years.

Since you do not want to read about Dr. Brewer's diet, you should know that his research was instrumental in changing the ob/gyn's rule at the time of pregnant women gaining no more than twenty pounds. (I had a homebirth midwife who was anxious about my weight gain!) His studies were based on many other studies which said that protein and salt had a place on every pregnant woman's diet. Before Dr. Brewer, I had many friends who were put on lasix for their fluid retention. Now, I rarely know of any pregnant women who are put on diet pills (yes!) or diuretics, but it was extremely common twenty years ago.

Mostly my main complaint with medical doctors is that they do not think diet is all that important. I have my Father's medical books from the 1930's, 40's, and 50's which state that it does not matter what a pregnant woman eats since the placenta is a "bloody sieve" and the baby simply grows without much input from the mother. This is how tragedies as DES were pulled off - the doctors did not think the hormones would cross the placenta and affect the baby. These are old doctor tales.

Dr. Brewer is not the only doctor who has done this research. He is backed up by solid research and studies from all around the world of nutrition and dietary research.

abit T, but about good doctors and not disputing their advice......

...editted to add: There was a NOVA presentation some years ago on PBS. It was about a parent whose son had constant seizures. The little boy had to wear a helmut on his head to prevent further brain damage from the throes of the seizures. The doctors at the research laboratory, which was connected to a medical school, controlled the little boy's seizures by dosing him with phenobarbitol, a very addicting, very powerful tranquilizer. Then the father went to the medical library connected to the very clinic he was taking his son and read the information on his son's condition. ( Do not know how he could use their library; often medical school libraries are off limits to the public) The information was about a high fat diet that could control seizures. The information was backed up by solid medical studies and a solid grounding in the understanding of how the melanin (sp?) wrappings on the nerves behave with fat in the diet. The research further stated that the child will outgrow the seizures after a while and the child can eat a normal diet as an adult. The father presented this information to the doctors. They said they knew all about it. They were not impressed. So the father fed his son bacon, eggs, cream, and fatty meats, and his seizures subsided...why didn't the doctors feed him the way the research in their own libraries tell them? I guess it is the $. More profits from helmuts and phenobarbitol that from feeding the boy bacon and eggs....although, I guess one can say the cardiologists might make out in the end.
post #33 of 33
applejuice....i'm not upset, really, and i'm sorry if it sounded that way...you know it's hard to get how a person really feels via typing, so if it sounded that i way, i'm sorry. i guess, being in the medical field, i have NEVER heard or been taught that pre-e is primarily due to the things you listed earlier...i have been told and read that no one truely knows what causes a woman's body to do what it does with pre-e/e. and to hear that brewer has all but eliminated it is hard to believe since it is still so prevelent, kwim? anyway, no hard feelings here...have a good night!
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