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post #21 of 32
My first was 8 and a half and my next was 11. I swear the 11 pounder was less painful. I think position determines more than weight.
Sorry I don't have any good advice at all. I think I ate far healthier with my 2nd. The midwife said she'd never seen such a "healthy" placenta. I don't know how or why they were different sizes though...
post #22 of 32
And oddly (from reading he other posts) I ate far more sugars with my lighter baby. LOL Both were within 3 days of my EDD so time wasn't a factor.
post #23 of 32
Don't eat so much protein! That will make your baby huge. My doctor says she can always tell a Bradley birth method baby because they advocate eating an obscene amount of protein (100+ grams daily) and the babies are always very large.

I read an interesting paper by my favorite nutrition doctor, Dr. John MacDougall, about how in most other countries in Asia and Africa, women eat more whole plant foods (unrefined carbohyrdrates) and less protein (animal foods). Their babies are usually small enough to easily pass through their pelvis (even in Asia where women tend to be built much smaller.) It is only when these women move to the US and adopt our rich, protein-heavy diets that they start having babies that are too large for their bodies and they start having lots of C-sections.

So make sure you are eating plenty of fruits & vegetables, whole grains, etc. and keep your protein intake moderate.
post #24 of 32
Jadzia, women in this country don't have so many c-sections because their babies are too big - they have so many c-sections because they give birth in a hospital with tons of interventions like: routine IVs, routine epidurals, routine external (or internal) fetal monitoring, no eating/drinking in labor, trying to give birth on their backs instead of upright...although a percentage of c-sections are necessary, the majority are iatrogenic (i.e. caused by medical mismanagement).

Women in Asia, Africa etc. are generally giving birth upright and unmedicated, as nature intended. It doesn't have to do with having smaller babies.
post #25 of 32
ITA Quirky!

To Jadzia: You need to do a little reading....there is quite a bit of science behind the high protein diet for pregnancy...also called the Brewer diet.

Check out http://www.blueribbonbaby.org

Limiting protein can cause many other health problems during pregnancy. Yes, you WILL probably end up with a smaller baby that way, but it sure would be an unhealthy way to do it.
post #26 of 32
Just wanted to add my .02 to this thread.

My first was 7lb,12oz. (37 weeks gestation)
My second was 8lb,14oz. (36 weeks gestation and no, I didn't have gestational diabetes)
My third was 6lb,11oz. (38 weeks gestation)
My fourth/fifth (twins) were 5lb,8oz & 5lb,5oz (35 weeks)
My sixth was 9lb,12oz (39 weeks)

So, to answer your question, yes, it is possible to have a smaller baby after a big baby. I carried my 3rd 2 weeks longer than I did her older brother and she was just over 2 pounds lighter (and 1" shorter)!

I agree with everyone else who is saying that you should just concentrate on eating healthy and exercising. Your baby will be as big or small as s/he is destined to be.

Good luck and congratulations on your pregnancy!
post #27 of 32
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Originally Posted by Quirky
Jadzia, women in this country don't have so many c-sections because their babies are too big - they have so many c-sections because they give birth in a hospital with tons of interventions like: routine IVs, routine epidurals, routine external (or internal) fetal monitoring, no eating/drinking in labor, trying to give birth on their backs instead of upright...although a percentage of c-sections are necessary, the majority are iatrogenic (i.e. caused by medical mismanagement).

Women in Asia, Africa etc. are generally giving birth upright and unmedicated, as nature intended. It doesn't have to do with having smaller babies.
I agree that the unnecessary medical interventions that occur here do cause most of the unnecessary C-sections in this country. However, that is ignoring the fact that women who move here and adopt our diets DO end up having much larger babies than they do eating their native, indigeonous diets. That contributes to C-sections (and more difficult deliveries), also.


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Originally Posted by party_of_six

To Jadzia: You need to do a little reading....there is quite a bit of science behind the high protein diet for pregnancy...also called the Brewer diet.

Check out http://www.blueribbonbaby.org

Limiting protein can cause many other health problems during pregnancy. Yes, you WILL probably end up with a smaller baby that way, but it sure would be an unhealthy way to do it.
Excuse me, but I have read extensively about this (nutrition is my hobby and I read everything I can about the subject.) Most Americans consume far too much protein than is necessary and excess protein causes a good amount of medical problems (kidney stones, osteoporosis, etc.)

You should be aware that breastmilk (the world's most perfect food) is only 5% protein. That seems to be nature's way of telling us we do not need the outrageous amounts of protein that many people think we do. If a newborn baby who is growing the most in his life needs such a low amount of protein, why would he need so much more in utero?

Please let me know exactly what "health problems" are associated with moderate protein intake? The truth is, as long as you are eating a varied diet of enough calories, you are getting enough protein! The Atkins diet and other fad diets have only contributed to this mass "protein hysteria" but it simply is not true. The countries that consume the highest amount of carbohydrates (and the least amount of protein) do not get the diseases that are so prevalent in the West. Protein is necessary, but it is not the "magic bullet" that is missing from most American's diets. (Vegetables, fruits, and whole grains grains are in much shorter supply in our diets than protein). I'd worry more about the majority of Americans who aren't consuming enough plant foods vs. not consuming enough protein. Protein deficiency is so utterly rare in this country that doctors don't even know how to tell the signs of it. I have only heard of it occurring in people who are famine victims or people suffering from eating disorders (ie people who are not consuming enough calories).

I have a great book called "Your Vegetarian Pregnancy" that discusses a British study comparing the babies of vegetarian women and meat-eating women. The babies were all similarly healthy and had identical average Apgar scores. The ONLY notable difference was that the babies of vegetarian women were slightly smaller (6.5 pounds vs. 7.3 pounds). They explained this difference as being due to the more moderate average protein consumption by the vegetarian women during pregnancy.

It seems to me telling a woman who is trying not to have a large baby to over-dose on protein is not very sage advice.

The RDA for protein in pregnant women is 70 grams (which is higher than what most people need but the RDA usually is always rounded up.) The World Health organization recommends pregnant women get 6% of their calories as protein (7% for lactating women). Protein is in most foods and it adds up; these guidelines are quite easy for most pregnant women to maintain without trying too hard (especially with the amount of food most of us pregnant ladies consume in a day. )
post #28 of 32
Jadzia, just my experience:

ds #1, SAD, 11.5 pounds
ds #2 strict vegan, mostly raw, no soy almost 11 pounds
ds #3 diet free of sugar and refined starches, a little meat...almost 11 pounds
ds #4 (due in August) vegetarian first half, meat and low-carb second half, and I'm pretty sure he'll be at least as big as the others.

in my case, genetics seem to outweigh diet. exercise level was about the same for all babies.
post #29 of 32
"Please let me know exactly what "health problems" are associated with moderate protein intake? "

Did you read the link? In all your research on diet and nutrition have you ever heard of the Brewer diet? I'm certainly not advocating that everyone everywhere start gorging themselves on protein. There is just quite a bit of research out there that suggests that adequate protein intake during pregnancy can help you to avoid toxemia and sereral other serious complications. Again, read the link in my PP.



"You should be aware that breastmilk (the world's most perfect food) is only 5% protein. That seems to be nature's way of telling us we do not need the outrageous amounts of protein that many people think we do. If a newborn baby who is growing the most in his life needs such a low amount of protein, why would he need so much more in utero?"

Do you have any links that back up that info??...the whole breastmilk is only 5% protein? I have looked, and that's a hard number to track down, but most of what I have read suggests more like 10% protein. Anyway, yes, that is a low number, but that certainly is not accounting for the fact that breastmilk also has growth hormones. It makes perfect sense that breastmilk isn't high in protein....that would put a high draw on mom's reserves if we had to produce high protein milk. Instead our bodies produce milk that is high in fat and carbs, low in protein, and with some growth hormones that tie it all together.

I agree with you that the average American does not need more protein, and frankly, I'm a bit wary of all of these high protein weight loss diets...ekk!

I think that instead we should be focusing on eating whole unprocessed foods, more veggies, and getting more excersise.

Oh, and FTR, I was not suggesting that this mom eat tons of protein...I was only responding to your post telling her not to eat too much protein.
post #30 of 32
9lbs.9oz c/s, 8.15 sch c/s, 9.1 HBAC. So, yeah you can go smaller.
If I hadn't pigged out on carbs the last 4 weeks of my pregnancy, i doubt she would have been over 9lbs. I really pigged out!
Less carbs is a good idea if you over do it by nature. I'm prone to overeating and being over weight. Each person is different. Try the best odds diet in the What to Expect when Your Expecting book, I've never stuck to it, but if you determined enough it should work.
Best to you,
post #31 of 32
Well I've only had 2 so far, but my 2nd was a good bit smaller than my first:

1st dd: 9#, 2 oz (I gained 28#)
2nd dd: 7#, 3 oz (I gained 24#)

I exercised and ate healthy for both pregnancies so I don't know why the size difference. I think I gained slightly less with #2 cuz I was so busy with dd#1 LOL. I do know how you feel though, I think every pregnant woman wants a nice small baby. I don't think there is anything you can/should do to influence your kids size. Just trust your body; its experienced and knows what to do!
post #32 of 32
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Originally Posted by KiwiZ
I do know how you feel though, I think every pregnant woman wants a nice small baby. I don't think there is anything you can/should do to influence your kids size. Just trust your body; its experienced and knows what to do!

I know I'm not pregnant at the moment, but I will not want a small baby! DS was big, and TBH, I'd worry if the next one was "small" (small being a relative term, of course). I'd probably worry during the pregnancy if the babe felt significantly smaller than DS, and I'd worry after the babe got here about it being "delicate".

Other than that, I agree with you - trust your body to build a healthy babe who's just the right size!

Kinsey
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