The thing that bothered me about the "rapture" was that the Christians and the Savior would leave the earth, and chaos would reign. It is not so. In rereading, (from Talmadge's Church-published Jesus the Christ) I find:
"With Christ shall come those who have already been resurrected; and His approach shall be the means of inaugurating a general resurrection of the righteous dead, while the pure and just who are still in the flesh shall be instantaneously changed from the mortal to the immortal state and shall be caught up with the newly resurrected to meet the Lord and His celestial company, and shall descend with Him." Supporting scriptures 1 Thess. 4:14-17, 3 Nephi 28:8, and Doc. & Cov. 29:12 are given. Then it reads: "The heathen nations shall be redeemed and have part in the first resurrection." The footnote to that statement (the footnotes in JtC are as informative as the text): " 'And then shall the heathen nations be redeemed, and they that knew no law shall have part in the first resurrection, and it shall be tolerable for them.' (Doc & Cov. 45:54.) Such is the word of the Lord with respect to those benighted peoples who live and die in ignorance of the laws of the gospel. This affirmation is sustained by other scriptures, and by a consideration of the principles of true justice according to which humanity is to be judged. Man shall be accounted blameless or guilty according to his deeds as interpreted in the light of the law under which he is required to live. It is inconsistent with our conception of a just God to believe Him capable of inflicting condemnation upon anyone for non-compliance with a requirement of which the person had no knowledge."
The first part was found on pages 787-88, with the footnote on page 793.
I was wrong about being caught up but correct about the "post-tribbing" and the Savior not taking the Christians away. What is described above is the post-tribulation beginning of the Milennial reign. Satan will be bound for 1,000 years at that point and when he is loosed again there will be another tribulation, a final test, but the event described in this thread as the "rapture" goes with the first tribulation.
Though I can see why NM would want to leave "pre-trib." Trib doesn't sound fun.
"With Christ shall come those who have already been resurrected; and His approach shall be the means of inaugurating a general resurrection of the righteous dead, while the pure and just who are still in the flesh shall be instantaneously changed from the mortal to the immortal state and shall be caught up with the newly resurrected to meet the Lord and His celestial company, and shall descend with Him." Supporting scriptures 1 Thess. 4:14-17, 3 Nephi 28:8, and Doc. & Cov. 29:12 are given. Then it reads: "The heathen nations shall be redeemed and have part in the first resurrection." The footnote to that statement (the footnotes in JtC are as informative as the text): " 'And then shall the heathen nations be redeemed, and they that knew no law shall have part in the first resurrection, and it shall be tolerable for them.' (Doc & Cov. 45:54.) Such is the word of the Lord with respect to those benighted peoples who live and die in ignorance of the laws of the gospel. This affirmation is sustained by other scriptures, and by a consideration of the principles of true justice according to which humanity is to be judged. Man shall be accounted blameless or guilty according to his deeds as interpreted in the light of the law under which he is required to live. It is inconsistent with our conception of a just God to believe Him capable of inflicting condemnation upon anyone for non-compliance with a requirement of which the person had no knowledge."
The first part was found on pages 787-88, with the footnote on page 793.
I was wrong about being caught up but correct about the "post-tribbing" and the Savior not taking the Christians away. What is described above is the post-tribulation beginning of the Milennial reign. Satan will be bound for 1,000 years at that point and when he is loosed again there will be another tribulation, a final test, but the event described in this thread as the "rapture" goes with the first tribulation.
Though I can see why NM would want to leave "pre-trib." Trib doesn't sound fun.
