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post #21 of 41
Yeah, overwhelming is right, I feel for you!

This is when my DS's eczema started... 5 months. I can't for the life of me figure out what triggered it. Did it show up *before* solids or after? Ours was before, then it just got worse.

I think you should stop the solids, at least for a couple weeks, it will certainly do no harm and it could help. Hopefully you can see some improvement. Then once you start up again, be careful to note any worsening of symptoms. I have heard of allergies to avocado, it might be better to start with peaches, pears, sweet potatoes and other least allergenic foods. Definately get some probiotics for both of you.
post #22 of 41
I am just curious. Why an elimination diet? How did you all know it is or was allergy - food related?

Was there something you all read or how did you know?
post #23 of 41
I think I first read about it in breastfeeding related books (saying dairy is most likely) and the Dr. Sears site which describes an Elim Diet. Also, the book "Is This Your Child?" by Dr. Doris Rapp.

There are medical studies going back to the'80's showing the top food allergens causing eczema... despite this, many dr's (and our Ped included) to this day still doubt that it is the main cause or at least don't practice that way.
post #24 of 41
I went to see an allergist. He agreed that due to DD's symptoms that perhaps some kind of food was the culprit. In my case, he suggested a pretty rigorous elimination diet (dairy, gluten, the works).

I've been doing it for 2 weeks and there is definitely a difference in DDs nighttime gassiness. She doesn't wake nearly as often and seems to actually get a decent interval of sleep. Her chest rash is still there, though, so I don't know what to make of that.
post #25 of 41
Ok so what about a child who doesnt breastfeed?

I am thinking that my dd should start and elimination diet b/c she has some digestive problems. She has a lot of constipation, and she also has acid reflux, a confirmed egg allergy adn lactose intolerance. i feel like her constipation is a result of a hidden allergy that i can figure out. I have to use juice adn those glycerin suppositories sometimes to get her to have a BM.

We are going to the pedi to see what she says but i wantd to get and idea befor we go tomorrow.

thanks
post #26 of 41
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Originally Posted by AvalonDaughter
I am just curious. Why an elimination diet? How did you all know it is or was allergy - food related?

Was there something you all read or how did you know?
For my children, I suspected there was something going on... for my 4 yo it was like something was causing his brain to act funny. We do the Feingold Program which eliminates food additives and certain foods high in salicylates.

Personally I believe that food sensitivies cause many many problems but conventional medicine (and many parents) choose to believe otherwise or say it isnt' supported by evidence (though there are oodles of studies showing a direct correlation between ADHD/ ADD and artificial colors and other artificials). It's easier to just medicate a kid rather than eliminate the blue applesauce.
post #27 of 41
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Originally Posted by savannahmomi
Ok so what about a child who doesnt breastfeed?

I am thinking that my dd should start and elimination diet b/c she has some digestive problems. She has a lot of constipation, and she also has acid reflux, a confirmed egg allergy adn lactose intolerance. i feel like her constipation is a result of a hidden allergy that i can figure out. I have to use juice adn those glycerin suppositories sometimes to get her to have a BM.

We are going to the pedi to see what she says but i wantd to get and idea befor we go tomorrow.

thanks
My oldest ds doen't bf and he's on an elimination diet I think it would definately help your dd to try.
post #28 of 41
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Originally Posted by savannahmomi
Ok so what about a child who doesnt breastfeed?

I am thinking that my dd should start and elimination diet b/c she has some digestive problems. She has a lot of constipation, and she also has acid reflux, a confirmed egg allergy adn lactose intolerance. i feel like her constipation is a result of a hidden allergy that i can figure out. I have to use juice adn those glycerin suppositories sometimes to get her to have a BM.
What does she usually eat?
Does she eat cheese?
Does she like vegetables?
How much iron supplementation does she get?

High iron fortified cereals/formula and dairy are the main sources of constipation in babes.

I think reflux is a big indication of a dairy protein allergy. As I understand it, lactose intolerance is rare in small children (since breastmilk contains it, it's something adults usually loose the ability to digest), it's the protein allergy that is the main problem. However, if it's truly lactose intolerance probiotics will help immensely since they aid in digesting the milk sugar.

Eliminating the top allergens would be fairly easy for your babe and then you can do from there: dairy, soy, eggs, nuts, wheat, fish.

A friend of mine's 3 y.o. is on 2 T. mineral oil and Benefiber mixed into milk for her constipation as prescribed by her ped. The Benefiber is probably ok but I know the mineral oil leeches vitamins from the system. I'm horrified that she has been taking this for a year now. I would recommend cod liver or flax oil or at least olive. Avocado would be good as well.

I've also read that constipation is a symptom of yeast.
post #29 of 41
dd does eat cheese, and i give her lactaid milk. regular cows milk makes her constipated immediatly!! she eats lactaid cottage cheese, yo baby yogurt, sliced cheese, block cheese, veggies, fruits. cherios, shredded wheat (sometimes) she likes cream of wheat. i give her wheat bread, hummis,pb&j.

she already is confirmed for an egg allergy, they say i can just avoid them when not cooked into something but i am going to start avoiding them all together.

someone told me once that if she could eat cheese and yogurt but not milk it was just and intolerance, if she couldnt have any of them it was an allergy. but that not what it says when you look up and allergy. she doesnt get hives or exzema. she had exzema when she was an infant but it wetn away when we used the steriod cream. (that was before i was questioning drs) she was on soy formula and treated for acid reflux as an infant.

pb&j: what do you feed your son?

sorry for the rambling..... i was maybe thinking it was IBS? i dont want it to be!
well we go to the doc tomorrow! tell youhow it goes!

thanks for the info
post #30 of 41
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Originally Posted by savannahmomi
someone told me once that if she could eat cheese and yogurt but not milk it was just and intolerance
Not necessarily. The difference could be between cooked and uncooked forms of the milk protein. The cooked forms (and cooked eggs, I was just talking about this on another board) are more easily digested because the proteins are "denatured". Plus yogurt has probiotics to help digestion.

I really don't think it could be IBS, constipation is almost always nutritional.

Cheese is really constipating, have you noticed a difference since stopping it for a week? Cream of wheat has a lot of iron which is constipating as well. Is the Shredded Wheat iron fortified, if it's the adult version she could just be getting too much. Are her stools dark in color? Iron causes this.
Bananas stop you up too.
post #31 of 41
Ok so we went to the dr this morning, she wants me to give dd prune juice once a day and give her more fruits and vegetables. she gave me a pill to help clean out her system (just a one time thing) then start teh prune juice.

she also told me that cheese, meats, bananas etc can cause constipation (like you ladies told me) but should i just try to avoid red meat? is some chicken here and there ok? adn deli turkey?

she also said that i could try the soy or rice cheeses b/c dd loves cheese. what do all of you think about these? i know that they both have casin in them. and do dairy products without the lactose cause the same stomach problems?

well we are gonna go shopping, i am gonna trya few things. thanks for the list of foods JaneS.

oh and she doesnt have shredded wheat or cream of wheat that often but her stool is sometimes dark.

thaks again.
post #32 of 41
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Originally Posted by savannahmomi
pb&j: what do you feed your son?
Parker's symptoms manifest themselves as behavioral problems but the diet we follow also helps w/ other things. Here are physical symptoms that can be helped w/ the Feingold diet:

Ear infections
Asthma
Bedwetting (enuresis)
Daytime wetting
Stomachaches
Headaches, migraines
Hives, rashes (urticaria)
Eczema
Leg aches
Constipation, diarrhea
Congestion
Seizures (some types, especially if combined with migraine or hyperactivity)

That's from the site: http://www.feingold.org/home.html

You may want to go completely dairy/ casien free for a while then add things back in to see what she's sensitive to. Easier said than done though... dairy is difficult to eliminate.

It sounds like your ped is addressing the symptom of consitpation but not necessarily the cause, kwim? I'm sure others will be able to help you more than I can. Good luck! Good for you too for wanting to help your dd w/ diet
post #33 of 41
I forgot...slippery elm is EXCELLENT for constipation, I took it a few times when pg.
post #34 of 41

DS 21 mos, faciel eczema. Sorry for long post!

I just jumped to this thread from Vaccinations/Eczema -- and I have bookmarked all the web sites you ladies recommend for tonight's reading.

My DS (21 months) has had eczema since birth -- litterally, he was born with eczema. And I tried eliminating

wheat
dairy
eggs
soy
nuts
fish
corn

for 2 months -- it didn't help at all. That was almost a year ago. The only thing that controls the eczema at all is Elidel -- and I hate to use it, but (as I am sure you mamas know) the hamburger-face baby is so awful! And if I let the eczema flare up, DS wake more at night (as it is, he wakes about every 2 hours to nurse back to sleep) and scratches.

The eczema is only on his face, on his cheeks and chin and sometimes across his nose or behind his ears. Thank goodness, it has never broken out anywhere else, even before we were treating the eczema at all (other than with benign creams/oils).

DS has been very slow to start solids, so we thought perhaps there was some food intolerance or allergy involvement in the eczema. But we couldn't find a likely culprit, given that the elim diet we used before had zero results.

DS is just beginning to eat solids. He is also small for his age (around 8-12 mos he plummeted down from 90% height & weight to 25% weight, 40% height) and is slow to grow (still wears the 18 and 24 month size clothes that we got for him last fall/winter). All this seems related to the food issues, which may be related to the eczema. Or not.

I wondered if any of you have a suggestion about the face-only eczema -- doe sthat indicate something different? I haven't seen anything on eczema web sites, but those are aimed at adults with eczema. Or about the slow growth, or slowness to eat. At 21 mos, DS is still pretty much getting his nutrition from Mamamilk, eating maximally 2 Tablespoons of food daily.

I guess I am leading myself up to starting a new elim diet, because when I recently tried ceasing the Elidel, his little wee cheeks looked so horrible so quickly (and they were clearly bothering him). I will read up on the Sears diet, salicywhatever-they-bes ;-), Feingold, and probiotics. Sigh. It is so hard -- but if his tiny face would only clear up, it would be worth it.

--Balrog
post #35 of 41
balrog, one thing to also be aware of with eczema, especially if there are respiratory symptoms as well- is airborne allergins. It can also be a combo of both- that is what we're dealing with.

My ds reacts to animal dander and pollen as well as foods. The elimination diet wasn't the total answer for us- but a few foods were big triggers.

Even with those foods out of his diet, he still gets eczema when there's a lot of pollen, he's exposed to cleaning solutions or animals.

Good luck to you.
post #36 of 41
Quote:
Originally Posted by balrog
My DS (21 months) has had eczema since birth -- litterally, he was born with eczema.
Poor little bunny.

Does he have a red ring around the anus? That is also a good indiction of food allergies or yeast. If not, it might point towards an environmental or other connection. Although since he was born with it, that might not be it. It's so difficult to wade through all this, wishing you strength and fortitude mama!
post #37 of 41
I hope this is not too off topic and someone can help me get a clear picture on this; I have a strong family history of allergies, asthma, colitis, Crohn's Disease, and Celiac's, and eczema, please pardon the spelling...My question is, can I be proactive-can I change my diet, and my four children's in order to prevent this in our future?

My ten year old had a battle with what his Dr. called eczema last winter-his skin peeled off his hands constantly until they were raw. He is noticing this again now.

I have a 5 month old and we deal with quite a bit of reflux. I have always felt most of these problems were food related, but have not dealt with them but feel like I am ready to get a handle on this food thing now.

Sorry for the ramble, and I appreciate any advice.
post #38 of 41
I was on the elimination diet as a child due to my own severe food allergies. The only meat I was allowed was lamb. I am allergic to cow products, dairy and beef. Interestingly, I can eat McDonald's hamburgers with no problem

I was also told the same, that I'd have to eat the trial food every day for a week. It was not fun. I still remember eating loads of lamb when I was 7 but at least I do like lamb. But I was able to find out what I am allergic to. I had skin testing when I was in my teens and found out another big list of things I'm allergic to. Another thing I found was that most of the foods I'm allergic to, are things that I hate. My mom always thought I was so picky but I guess my body was just avoiding things it knew was bad.

I've also found that you can definately become allergic to something or have reactions that get worse when you eat that food more.

I have children with bad allergies and was also told to wait up to 3-4 weeks for something to leave your system. We all can't have milk. Some of us can tolerate some and some can't. My oldest is the only one who can have soy, the rest of us are allergic. Then with fruits and veggies, we are all allergic to some and not others and not all the same thing. As you can imagine, meals are interesting. I've learned that you can be allergic to anything. Unfortunately nothing is off limits.
post #39 of 41
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Originally Posted by mom2zsel
I hope this is not too off topic and someone can help me get a clear picture on this; I have a strong family history of allergies, asthma, colitis, Crohn's Disease, and Celiac's, and eczema, please pardon the spelling...My question is, can I be proactive-can I change my diet, and my four children's in order to prevent this in our future?
I think so!
Read the thread: The Power of Probiotics
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...ad.php?t=96009
Making your own yogurt can probably be the best thing you could do for your family's immune system. You could also experiment with non dairy versions.

I've also been reading wonderful things about coconut oil and its ability to help various intestinal problems, you might want to do further research.
http://www.tropicaltraditions.com/vcnocrohns.htm
http://www.westonaprice.org/know_you...conut_oil.html
post #40 of 41

A Big Thank You..

JaneS, for the links! I have alot of research ahead of me, but I am willing to do whatever it takes to avoid the issues that so many in my extended family deal with daily. Thanks again,
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