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post #161 of 173
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well my dh surprised me yesterday. No he didnt decide to go vegetarian, but he had a vegetarian starter guide from PETA sent to me in the mail. I did think this was a good start for him to show some support to what Im doing.
post #162 of 173
baby steps are still "steps"!
post #163 of 173
That sounds like a great first step mamacarey! At least it sounds like he supports your decision. My husband and I decided to be vegetarians together. I have a lot of respect for couples who are split on this issue. It has got to make meal planning that much more complicated.
post #164 of 173
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Originally Posted by amylsp
That sounds like a great first step mamacarey! At least it sounds like he supports your decision. My husband and I decided to be vegetarians together. I have a lot of respect for couples who are split on this issue. It has got to make meal planning that much more complicated.
ITA

Beans, beans, the musical fruit...

In the health food store, you'll find lots of different beans in the bulk section, but I'd try canned first to see what your DC like. There are so many kinds of beans, especially the Heirloom varieties.

hummus on pita bread
baby carrots or pita chips dipped in hummus
white bean spread on toast
sneak them into blended soups
refried and mushy into tacos and quesadillas
some are huge and can be eaten whole - European soldiers are very smooth and sweet
Garbanzos with oil and black pepper
post #165 of 173
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well we got something in the mail today that I had to explain to my ds. We got a catalog from Cabellas (the hunting store)
My ds was asking about why people hunt and what the stuffed animals (real ones) were. He said we dont hurt animals do we? I think he was sad when he saw all the guns. Granted I didnt want him to even look through it, but he got to the mail and started going through it before I could stop him.
I was having a discussion with my dad and I didnt quite know how to answer. He said that if everyone was a vegetarian then we would have too many animals overpopulating the country. Would there be a way to stop this from happening if everyone was vegetarian? Please excuse me if this is a stupid question
post #166 of 173
Seems to me, if everyone were a vegetarian, all those deer (that seems to be the most common animal omni's refer to overpopulating) would just start living in the new forests that used to be animal farms/grazing pastures, etc. I figure animals like cows would probably die off relatively soon.
Did that make any sense? I've thought about it alot too, since we've got hunters in our family. I do see a problem with the lack of predators for the deer, but I think it would level itself out pretty soon (without the help of scaiby hairy smelly fat men and their guns )
post #167 of 173
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Originally Posted by mamacarey
I was having a discussion with my dad and I didnt quite know how to answer. He said that if everyone was a vegetarian then we would have too many animals overpopulating the country. Would there be a way to stop this from happening if everyone was vegetarian? Please excuse me if this is a stupid question
**It makes me nuts when omni's say that! No, there wouldn't be too many animals in the country. There is a nat'l way of things (other animals eating each other, etc) that would control THAT. THat is if we could control our growth. But, for the most part, humans are unwilling to control ourselves- yet we feel the need to control all other forms of life! ugh. : And if someone is going to argue that theory than I would assume human would be bright enough to figure out the "problem of animal overpopulation (lol- I laugh while typing that)" . We've put a man on the moon for crying out loud!
post #168 of 173

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Greetings All!

i have been a veg since 1991, and I am married to an omni who only eats meat when outside our home. We are raising our daughter Veg.

Question:

When you are talking to others about diet do they get allhorrified and judgemental when you tell them you are raining your kids veg? It makes me laugh when i hear people say, "aren't you even going to give her a choice? She's a baby for crying out loud! You can't make her be a vegetarian!"

I cn't believe how brainwashed our culture has become!
post #169 of 173
Several things to that WAY MORE THAN STUPID argument - which animals are they referring to?

Deer? All the hunters who eat the meat (since this is an argument about people becoming veggies) hardly make a dent in the deer population. The only reason there is an "overpopulation" of deer anywhere is that we've killed their animal predators and stolen their land.

Domesticated animals? Well, the only reason they are here is that we've domesticated them. Many don't live very long anyway because of the health problems caused by breeding them certain ways for our purposes. There are way more than there would be naturally because we FORCE them breed at an extraordinary, and unnatural rate. Like gestation crate female pigs which are forced to get pregnant within 4-5 days of having given birth. In the natural world, pigs raise their piglets and then get pregant again the next YEAR. So no, they wouldn't overrun the world. There would be a huge amount for a short while right after we stopped eating them. Then most would die a natural death and the breeding would go back to natural breeding. Plus, there's no reason that people couldn't set a stop date for breeding and only eat the animals that were left after that. We soon would have very few domesticated animals.

I'm only speaking about the US here - because we have the worst industrial (read: high population) food animal sitautions. (except for Asian's bird industry) In most countries, the populations of food animals would easily reach normal levels very quickly.

Yeesh! So simple, and yet...
post #170 of 173
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Originally Posted by PikkuMyy
Several things to that WAY MORE THAN STUPID argument - which animals are they referring to?

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I think he was referring to all animals. He also made the comment that the world could never make enough veggies for everyone to be a vegetarian that made no sense to me at all
post #171 of 173
Oh mamas! Speaking of the hunting issue; there was this thread in the childhood years about the tragedy of a child who just watched Bambi's mama get shot for the first time! Acckk!! I will rant here if I may. I really wanted to tell the parent in question to simply explain that some people feel the need to kill animals for fun and sometimes food. They don't think about how that animal's baby might feel. Thats how I explained it to my dd anyway. i'm so insensitive
What if we were all honest with our children about where their "food" came from. Especially since most little ones are so compassionate towards animals at first, until we lie and desensitize them towards suffering.
post #172 of 173
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Originally Posted by mamacarey
He also made the comment that the world could never make enough veggies for everyone to be a vegetarian
What a lame arguement. What does he think that the animals that are raised for food are eating? We grow more vegetables and plant foods that humans would ever eat already. We are just feeding most of them to the cattle & other animals that we are raising for food.

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Originally Posted by mamajodi
"aren't you even going to give her a choice? She's a baby for crying out loud! You can't make her be a vegetarian!"
My response to this one is, "you mean that you aren't even going to give your children a choice? You are just going to feed them dead animals without letting them know what it is & letting them decide whether they want to eat that?" "Forcing" a child to be a vegetarian is no different than "forcing" them to be a meat eater. My children (almost 6 & almost 4) are not being "forced," either. They know that they are welcome to eat anything that they would like. They know what it is & where it came from. If they choose to eat it, I am not going to make that decision for them. Thus far, both of them are very outspoken little vegetarians.
post #173 of 173
Originally Posted by mamajodi
"aren't you even going to give her a choice? She's a baby for crying out loud! You can't make her be a vegetarian!"

My FIL tried to make this lame argument, even though he intellectually "understands" why we are vegan. Everything we do as parents involves making choices for our children. (I was just writing about this in "P as P" to a woman who's husband keeps giving their 19 mo candy and says that she is tryiing to be controlling of their DD when she doesn't want him to.) When we make them wear shoes when walking outside, when we insist that they can't go places alone, when we lock the medecine cabinet so they don't accidntally take our prescription drugs: these are all choices we make for our chidlren, based on what we believe to be best for them and the world.

Some people don't lock their cabinets, others let their kids take drugs, others don't supervise them. They've made the decision to give their children a choice. But most of us don't see those as choices that are good for children to make. And when we believe that a vegetarian/vegan diet is best for our health, and best for the animals and people and environment, then we d*mn well have a right to make that choice for our children, at least when they are very young.

Most of us then decide when, on these different issues, to allow our children control. Some people allow their kids to go to school alone at age 8, some at 10, and some at 14. Some of us have sugar-free homes but allow our kids to buy their own sugar with their own money. And some of us have animal-free homes but allow our children to eat meat once they are old enough to make an informed decision.

This issue, like any other, comes down to us doing what we feel is best for our children. Some could argue that by not vaxing, people aren't giving their children the choice. Sure they are, they're just letting them make that choice once they are actually old enough to understand the issues involved.

And on this particular issue, we'll see that most kids, once they understand where meat comes from, how the animals are treated, etc. choose not to eat it. And while some may stray as teens, many come back to it as adults, once mature enough to realize that their parents were right!

That's my two cents for today. I've got to get dressed *yes, I'm still in my bathrobe - I've got to take advantage of the flexibility of not having kids while it lasts* and go see how foggy it is at the lighthouse because we want to do some birdwatching.
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