AHHH people are so stupid!

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Why do I visit babycenter? I was looking on info for a double stroller and though they would know. Well, no one knew about that but I got into it with this group of FF moms. WHY THE HECK DO THEY BELIEVE THAT FORMULA IS AS GOOD IS NOT BETTER THAN BREASTMILK???????????? It makes my so mad I could choke someone. What kind of crap is that? This lady said that she's a doc and she happens to know that there are NO RISKS in FF and NO CHANCE of harmful bacteria in powdered formula. HELLO!!! Kids have died because of it!!!! It ried so hard to encourage this mom who was thinking about dropping pumping for her 10 week old but they won her over with the help of the all knowing DOCTOR. Telling her it's good enough and she should just quit. Afterall they all FF their kids and they're OK. We should plan a night a week to get on babycenter and step up to the soap box.


American women are SO uninformed!

Are all countries this brainwashed?

[loving-my-babies]

ohhh, my~hearts~light...... I gave up on babycenter a while ago! It's such a waste of time.. but no, we should not go there and flame them, because I would not (and don't) like them coming to MDC and asking stupid questions like "should I CIO?" so let's leave them alone in their little weird-parenting world and avoid those places.
Not all countries are like that, I like the fact that in my country (CHILE) there still a little left of the old fashioned spirit in raising children. I was speaking to my dh's grandmother last weekend (on the phone, they live in chile) and she was telling me how hard I have to work to have my son "at the breast" until AT LEAST 3. she was saying how I can't let the "modern world" get to me, and I should continue bf'ing my 5 month old pretty much forever. she's about 70 years old now.

anyway, I totally feel ya! but let's not go there and flame them because I want them to leave us alone here!

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[loving-my-babies]

also, I wanted to add... I have found the people at babycenter (I really don't mean to be offensive, but I really feel this way) are very un-educated (GENERAL population of babycenter, ofcourse there are exceptions) they want to believe that what is more comfortable for them (ff'ing, CIO, etc..) is "best" for their children...

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Oh you're exactly right . They believe whatever makes them feel better about lazy parenting. And they don't give a crap about hearing the truth.
I didn't mean flame anyone, I meant educate. But I know that's not the way to do it. If they really cared, we would'nt need to educate them, they'd find us. It's just SOOO frustrating.

BTW, Can anyone reccomend a good double stroller? Preferably side by side.
(this question may be in vain here)

[HRC121799]

Originally Posted by my~hearts~light

Oh you're exactly right . They believe whatever makes them feel better about lazy parenting. And they don't give a crap about hearing the truth.
I didn't mean flame anyone, I meant educate. But I know that's not the way to do it. If they really cared, we would'nt need to educate them, they'd find us. It's just SOOO frustrating.

BTW, Can anyone reccomend a good double stroller? Preferably side by side.
(this question may be in vain here)

I have an Inglesina Twinjet, my older ds isn't riding anymore and the baby only did a few times, so I'm trying to sell it on ebay (again, after my reserve wasn't met,ugh),lol,but anyways, I researched FOREVER for the perfect double, and it's plush and easy to use and easy to push, and each seat supports up to 45lbs. I LOVE that stroller, but dh says I can't keep it since no one rides in it,lol. So hey, I have the perfect SBS Double FS,lol.

[HRC121799]

oh, and yes, babycenter is a lost cause! maybe they're mdc's exact opposite...

[Kinipela79]

Baby Center boards make my stomch get all tight and I swear I can feel my blood pressure rising with each post I read! lol I just stay away. No point in subjecting myself to it!

[Rach]

I tend to stay off main stream parenting boards. Even on some boards where I only lurk, I see MANY posts of people pointing out what Babycenter was saying that day, etc etc etc. It drives me nuts.
That's why I stick to Mothering. I find I get less headaches here.

[Gidget]

I hardly even visit the mainstream boards anymore.I used to visit one pretty frequently. But anymore, the attitudes are too much. Calling us judgemental and flinging insults to someone else in the same thread.

[Sustainer]

Originally Posted by my~hearts~light

WHY THE HECK DO THEY BELIEVE THAT FORMULA IS AS GOOD IF NOT BETTER THAN BREASTMILK????????????

Because that's what their doctors tell them.

Originally Posted by my~hearts~light

This lady said that she's a doc and she happens to know that there are NO RISKS in FF and NO CHANCE of harmful bacteria in powdered formula.

HA! See?

[rareimer]

*shudder* i guess there are just babycenter types and MDC types...personally i can't even read over there anymore, it just sickens me to see the garbage that people believe. and imagine that some of these people are doctors! (or at least pretend to be one on the internet.)

[Kinipela79]

I think it bothers me so much because when I had Trev that's how I thought too. I was SO mainstream parenting (except circ THANK GOODNESS!! lol) and just didn't know any better. And not that I think that the way I parent is perfect but I feel I am much more connected to my baby and knowing what he needs and being comfortable in providing that even if some "expert" says otherwise.

[UrbanPlanter]

A couple of friends have a Peg Perego Aria which they love - side-by-side double stroller that is lightweight and easy to steer and relatively affordable - and fits through virtually all doorframes!

I've never been to Babycenter... maybe I should go and stir things up a bit there!

[Gidget]

Yikes. I am glad I have never been to babycenter. There is ONE woman on the mainstream that I visit. SHe has me seriously considering putting her on my ignore list, which I NEVER do since I beleive even the ones that strongly disagree make me think. She only makes me angry. I cannot even imagine a whole slew of ppl like her. I think I would end up having an apoplectic seizure or something.

[cappuccinosmom]

Ugh. Isn't it irritating when "health professionals" advocate formula? Argh!

Not all countries are so ignorant. Most aren't, probably, although Western thought is insidiously creeping in to third-world countries via missionaries and NGO's who are well-meaning, but think giving powdered formula is a great and wonderful help to poor mamas. What can you do with powdered formula when your water carries all sorts of deadly diseases for infants???

Anywho, though, I loved it in dh's country. A woman can open her shirt and breastfeed her baby anytime, in any place! Nobody even bothers to look, it's that common. If they see a baby with a woman, her breasts automatically become baby food in thier mind, and nothing more.

[Attached2Elijah]

While I agree that some of babycenter's parents aren't doing what is best for their child *in my eyes*, how can you insult them and say they are stupid when there are Doctors among them? Maybe they are just educated in a *differant* way of parenting. They think that they ARE being educated about their parenting styles... just because it's differant then mine, I'm not going to put them down and call them stupid. I admit I HATE nothing more then to see people talking about how they let their babies CIO, or how they think formula is better... and yes, I think they are uneducated about the outcomes of both of these things but stupid? I don't know if I would ever call someone that because they think they are doing what is best for their child. I believe whole-heartedly in everything this board stands for but it can be very judgemental and hurtful. Why is your parenting so much better and more superior that you can judge another mother for what she thinks is the best thing for her child? If they really cared they'd find this board? How? When they have Doctors and so many other people telling them they are doing things right? Why should they believe a few people against the masses?

Anyway, what if they DID come to this board and see that they are being called stupid? I don't know but that would scare me off into not wanting to be a part of this board.

[Gidget]

I cannot be too sure, but I think the op was possibly referring to the "doctor". It frustrates me to no end that docs and nurses are not trained in this part of child nutrition. I think too, that alot of those mothers PREFER to beleive that "doc" so they do not have to admit that their choices are not the best they can offer theier children. NOt all of them, but alot of them will turn away from the facts and beleive what they want. I am pretty sure you see it too. They will just latch on to the doc title as a way to back up thier "reasoning". I bet if another doc went on there and said something opposoite of that other doc, they would beleive A over B.

[velcromom]

Originally Posted by Attached2Elijah

If they really cared they'd find this board? How? When they have Doctors and so many other people telling them they are doing things right? Why should they believe a few people against the masses?

It is true that many parents wholeheartedly believe their mainstream ways are right, but how is that a valid excuse for not looking into what is biologically and psychologically appropriate for a baby/child? Like my mom used to say to me, 'if everyone else was jumping off a cliff would you do it too?' There is no excuse for remaining uneducated when the info is easily available even though it isn't currently 'popular'. How did I find this board? No one told me about it, I looked into bf info. It's not rocket science.

But cultural beliefs and society's expectations are powerful, so while I think it IS stupid to follow blindly like a lemming over the cliff, I understand why they feel so right about their uneducated practices. I just can't join in the rationalizations though, because no matter what their beliefs or how strong, it doesn't make it appropriate for their children.

And as for believing the Drs on the board, they believe whatever makes them feel good about their choices. I wonder if someone registered over there as a dr and told them the dangers of ff, would they believe that? Doubt it.

nak, pls excuse typos!

[Viola]

Originally Posted by Attached2Elijah

Why is your parenting so much better and more superior that you can judge another mother for what she thinks is the best thing for her child?

I didn't get that from her post. I got that she was upset that a woman who identified herself as a doctor was telling posters there are no risks involved in formula feeding, which is just plain incorrect, and encouraging another mom to stop pumping. But, who knows, she might not even be a doctor!

I understand that everyone thinks they are doing the best for their children, but that is different from the attitude where people encourage a mom to use formula, saying it doesn't matter. I see that as parents not willing to own the choices they've made and feeling more secure if others make similar decisions. This may not be particularly common, but I've definitely seen people on message boards who don't understand why someone would try and breastfeed if there was any difficulty. They seem happy when another mom gives it up.

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FWIW, I FF and BF both my children. I KNOW the risks of FF because I had to sighn a waiver given to me by our neonatologist for consent to add formula to breastmilk. I had to do that because there were PAGES of risks that she didn;t want to be accountable for. THis woman/Doc was a fierce BF advocate and wanted her patients mothers to KNOW the risks beofre adding formula and before the mom gave up pumping or decided not to bf. SHe also trained the neonatologist for a time for the entire air force at Willford Hall Medical Center. IMO, she's very credible. Now I FF my firt like a sheep. I got mastitis bad and went to the doc. He bound my breasts and gave me formula samples. THAT'S STUPID! It's docs like that and parents like I was who feed the multi billion dollar formula industry. Most women and most babies can breastfeed. Some are lazy, some too career involved, some just plain ignorant, some too vain, some too easily trust doctors to decide what nature has already decided on. That part that irked me was that while I tried to help, others told her how wrong I was. Like if they could get her to FF they would feel better about doing it. If it's the norm, why do any better? That's just sad. And yes, jumping off that cliff without knowing the consiquence is STUPID.