Do you believe in heaven and hell? - Page 4

[2tadpoles]

I don't believe in anything supernatural. I think gods/goddesses were invented by people in order to explain things they couldn't/can't understand.

But if I were to wake up one morning and be frought with desire to connect with a divine being, Yahweh would be near the bottom of my Preferred Deities list. Too cruel and twisted for my tastes.

Is god willing to prevent evil but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him god?
- Epicurus (341-270 BCE)

Originally Posted by skellbelle

I think most of us will be surprised at who we meet - wherever we go - when we die.

Assuming, of course, that we continue existing after death. If I'm right, nobody will be surprised at all.

[azyre]

Ok, I'm the doofus who voted I believe in hell, but not in heaven. I meant to vote I believe in heaven, not hell Can I change it??

[DaryLLL]

Originally Posted by 2tadpoles

Is god willing to prevent evil but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him god?
- Epicurus (341-270 BCE)

Great quote, 2tadpoles!

[Quindin]

Hmmm... voted other because the options did not exactly express what I believe.
BTW, about the Epicurus quote... I go by a whole different 5th option

[DaryLLL]

Don't keep us in suspense, poli!

[its_our_family]

Thanks for this thread and responses.... I've been thinking about this a lot lately.

I believe in both heaven and hell... some of the details stump me though... I remember the way I was taught as a child that heaven was the bright place of light and all we did all day was stand around and sing praise to God. We didn't know anyone from our earthly life. We were perfectly whole (guess that means my boys get their foreskin back :nocirc ). etc.

I recently read a book where the author talks about how heaven in Hell are in the same place. Its jsut that while we are reunited with God it will be Heaven to some while it is Hell to others. Makes sense? Life will be life...we'll be with our family and such but we will be united with God and those already passed. Not sure what is in between though. I guess that is talking "new earth" type thing... you know "second coming" Sheesh, guess I have to rethink it all... wonder what happens inbetween and if the guy is right how do those that have passed fit into our lives as they are??

Lots of questions and I'm still confused!

[Jai]

The questions on the top are framed in a confusing manner.
If you get to purgatory you then go on to heaven so having purgatory/hell does not make sense at all. Hell is NOT purgatory!.

Yes I believe in purgatory, heaven and in hell . ABSOLUTLY!
I did not used to but now I do .I have no idea who will get to purgatory heaven , I am not God.(thankfully!) . I do wonder if many, many, many will go to purgatory.

I have not voted yet

Hell is full of the talented, but Heaven of the energetic.
-St Jane Frances De Chantel

[spero]

Just wanted to note that the Holy Father has clarified purgatory as a state of being rather than an actual location.

It's simply a state of purification on the way to Heaven.