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post #41 of 146
I have to be honest and admit that I'm still working through some personal biases in regards to homeschooling. My parents have always been very outspoken against it, stemming from the fact that we had a number of homeschooled kids in my ward growing up and almost all of them were weird (and they truly *were* weird--very socially inept, etc.!. It wasn't until I taught in graduate school and had a freshman student in my class who had been homeschooled that my opinions began changing. She was amazing! It wasn't that she was any smarter than the other students, but that she loved to learn so much and put so much of herself into the class. Everyone else just saw it as an easy "A". So now I am more open to homeschooling in general, although the idea still sounds overwhelming to me. It is hard for me to feel like I could be a good teacher and give my children a solid, well-rounded education in all the appropriate subjects. I guess it's because I such high expectations for myself about my own teaching. For example, even though I have a master's degree in music and took piano lessons for 10 years as a child, I don't want to teach my own kids piano because I don't feel qualifed--I have this vision of what a really good piano teacher would be--and I'm not it.

I am definitely interested in private school, though. I do not think that public schools in general promote quality learning experiences. Actually, what I'm interested in is Howard Gardner's theory of multiple intelligences. Anyone familiar with it? I would like to see a private school based around his ideas. I am not interested in the kinds of private schools that are only bent on turning out students who go to Ivy League schools. I would like to see all kinds of learning in all kinds of areas accepted and promoted. For preschoolers, I love the joy school idea founded on the curriculum outlined by Linda and Richard Eyre ("Teaching Children Joy"). I am uncomfortable with the concept of academic preschools. I was about a semester away from a degree in early childhood education, so early childhood learning is really one of my "pet" areas--I am fascinated by it.
post #42 of 146
Wow! Lots to talk about!

Stacymom--To answer your question about how we decided to homeschool: I just felt like I needed to. My twins started kindergarten, and I was happy with the school and their teacher, but within the first week I had an overwhelming desire to pull them out and teach them at home. My husband and I discussed it for several months, and I started homeschooling that January. I just finished first grade with them, and we're planning on doing second grade at home as well. I'm taking it a year at a time, waiting to see what the kids need. It was an interesting process, because I felt the spirit was directing me to homeschool, but I didn't have any concrete reasons, no horror stories about the school. Only now, 1 1/2 years later, do I see clearly that my son, especially, would be floundering in a classroom. He is one of those creative thinkers that is always moving and doing things differently than the rest of the group. You don't need to have any certification. Where I live (Sacramento area) we have charter schools that have public funds to buy our supplies. So I'm basically enrolled with a public school, but we do everything at home.

Drewsmom--I live in the Sacramento area, east of Sacramento in El Dorado County. I hear great things about Davis!

youngnhappymomma--I love the Waldorf philosophy!! We will be using a Waldorf curriculum for homeschoolers this year. I am so excited about it. There will also be a Waldorf homeschooling conference that just happens to be in Sacramento, lucky me! I am excited for your children to be going to Waldorf schools.

We are going on vacation, so I'll check in next week. Thanks for all your welcomes and responses. This is a great group, I'm glad I found it!
post #43 of 146
We aren't planning on homeschooling. I have wavered both ways about this for some time, but since we started violin lessons and practice last year (for my 3 1/2 yo), I feel like if I do that with each of my kids that will be all the creative educational energy that I have. I play the piano, but I have always felt that I would not teach my kids piano, because I don't want to be in that relationship with my kids.

Dh and I both feel that our kids will thrive in public school systems, and we will supplement with "family education". Like how to run a home. Food production. Music appreciation. Art appreciation. Creative skills, such as sewing, needlecrafts, etc. Outings to nature, museums, historical sites. Family history (which is the BEST way to appreciate history!).

One dream we have is that eventually dh will be a tenure-track professor, and then when he gets a sabbatical, then we will go overseas somewhere. That year we probably would homeschool.

Also, if any of my kids had significant needs that could better be met at home, then we would do that.

I had some lousy teachers. But if I had been homeschooled, I would not have met the amazing few teachers that really affected my attitudes and my education/choices/life.

There's a wonderful non-academic preschool that is cooperative with lots of crunchy (am I crunchy?) parents who were in my LLL group etc.

After my whole diatribe about LS, we went to Pageant last night, and dd #1 had many questions, comments, etc. Really learning fast about many things. A wonderful experience. Of course, that was dh's experience. Dd #2 spent the first hour bouncing on and off my lap and generally making me frustrated. The "naysayers" (anti-Mormon spokespersons) were out in full force last night, with huge colorful banners, etc. The funny thing is that 90% of what they were saying I agreed with. Upon exiting, the crowd starting a rousing rendition of Come, Come Ye Saints that kind of drowned out the ranting somewhat.

The best part of the whole night was sharing some extra sweatshirts with some very cold looking little girls and their mom just couldn't stop thanking us. Well, they weren't really extra. I snuggled w/ dh.
post #44 of 146
Sorry--are you tired of hearing from me yet? I was just going to say that I bit and posted on the rapture discussion. We'll see.
post #45 of 146
Thread Starter 
Can you believe my little girl came on her due date? She was right on time! It was so awesome to just go into labor and know it was coming. I sort of knew when I woke up Sat. morning that she would be coming soon. I felt a lot of pressure and some braxton hicks contractions all day. Every once in awhile, I'd get a real strong contraction in my back. Nothing was regular until about 6pm. I had several between 8-13mins apart. We were out shopping, and when we came home, they stopped. We got the kids to bed and started watching a movie. I thought maybe I'd get to sleep and things would start up in the morning, but at 11pm, I had my first "real" contraction. By 11:40 they were 5mins apart and by 12 they were 2 mins apart. I called my parents who were at Pageant 4 hours away. I got to the hospital at about 1:30 and I was at a 3. A little while later, my midwife came and I was at a 4 and completely effaced. I don't think the nurses really believed I was in labor. One told me afterwords that when I told her my pain was at a 7 (between 1-10), she felt sorry for me because she thought I had a long way to go! I had to get antibiotics through IV for Strep B. That was probably the worst part of the early part. I spent the rest of my time on my knees, hunched over a pile of pillows. I was very grateful for all of the natural childbirth reading I had done, as a lot of the things I read came in handy. My dh was awesome and very intuitavely touched or stroked me. I had to be at a 5 to get in the tub, so I made that my goal. At about 3am, I got in the tub. I was at a 6! I was so excited to be more than halfway there. The tub was awesome! I got in and just smiled! My midwife kept asking me if I was feeling the urge to push. I wasn't, but I was moaning a lot, so she got her gloves on. I started pushing through contractions because it felt good, but not because I had the urge. It was weird. Pushing her out was very hard and I screamed a lot. I wasn't prepared for that part. I know now that I would do things a little differently and more gently, but I had never pushed a baby out in water before! I found out that I hadn't had the urge to push because my water didn't break until the push before she was born. It was so awesome! I pulled her up and held her and made sure she was a girl . It was 4:16 am. Then we had a few moments together. She has lots of long, dark hair and is a chubby 8lb, 9oz, 20" beauty. After that, things pretty much went downhill. I had to get a few stitches and they had to take blood from the baby for Strep B. She was screaming and it was taking them forever to get enough. I just wanted to nurse her, but when I finally got to, I started having immense contractions again. I couldn't handle it. I was sooo tired! I tried to get up to empty my bladder because I thought it would relieve the contractions. The nurse came in just in time to catch me as I passed out. They got me in bed and started rubbing my tummy and I passed two huge blood clots, one the size of the placenta. I nursed for awhile and they took the baby to the nursery so I could rest. It has taken me this whole week to get my strength back from losing all that blood. Luckily, my parents are here and my boys have been having a great time. We actually had an awesome babymoon as my dh stayed with me the whole time in the hospital and had 3 days off work. Ruby Earlene is such an angel! I want to hold her all day. She is very peaceful and has turned my thoughts to more spiritual things. She makes me want to be the best mom. I feel more patient and gentle because of her. We'll see how things go when my mom leaves, but for now, its awesome. My 4yr old is talking baby talk, but loves to be with the baby, and is otherwise very obedient and loving. My2 yr old is testing every rule and making us wish we had more! He mostly takes everything out on me. He's great for my parents or dh. I'm trying hard to help him, but he usually rejects my efforts. We have had a few pleasant moments together! I know its all normal so I'm trying to have a sense of humor about it. So far, Ruby does not like the sling, and it is pretty hot for me too. Maybe when she's a little bigger... I have to go. I want to get in on the homeschool thing, but I need to get some rest! Thanks for reading my long story!
post #46 of 146

catching up

Staceymom-we live in the aves(downtown)slc,but we will hopefully be moving to glendale(So.slc)next week.I can pm you my # if you like.

Drewamom-I am currently the compassionate service sister for my block,Pray,Pray,Pray.....My mom was called for a whole ward a few times, and this calling has so many great blessings!

Sarah-Thankyou for the wraps and diapers!I think we have enough to drop the service! what was the washing they were used to?kind of soap,etc...?
post #47 of 146
Momnlovenit-

Congratulations! Thanks for posting your wonderful birth story- I love hearing them. Congratulations on your beautiful little girl. Chubby babies are the best. How is nursing going?

AudreyJoy- I'll pm you!
post #48 of 146

RS Vent

But first a big congrats to momnloveit!

So yesterday we had a RS lesson on our responsibility to teach our children. The teacher made a point of telling us how in order to teach her children to respect authority, she hit her little boy back when he hit her, and bit him when he bit her! OK, so I know alot of moms do things like this--but it seems that most of them don't get up in RS and brag about it as such a wonderful, gospel-oriented teaching method! She told us about her sis who refuses to do this, making sure we knew how her sis has a master's in family relations and implying how all that psychology has messed her up so much. She made it sound like her sister is abdicating her responsibility to teach her children properly because she won't do this! I was appalled! She bragged about how she only had to do it once, because it worked so well. I wanted so bad to open my mouth and disagree, and luckily, several ladies around me seemed to feel the same way.

She also told us that a stake primary president, whom she very much revered had told her that since the devil has no power over children under age eight, if they misbehave, it's our fault because we taught them that way and let them get away from it! (There was another reason she gave for children misbehaving, which I can't remember at the moment, but it was just as lacking.) What about "misbehaving" because they're learning, trying out new things and new ways of interacting, etc.? Maybe they "misbehave" because they ARE innocent and are going to make mistakes?

I can't say how much ot bugs me to hear stuff taught in RS that not only isn't doctrine, but isn't even true by man's standards.
post #49 of 146

can I join you?

I have posted a few times, but mostly been a lurker. I am living in TN, married to a LDS from Idaho. I just love keeping up with your conversations, and "talking" to people that seem to share my parenting style!

I have a ds who is 4 1/2, and a dd who is 10 months old today. We are the whole gamut of "granola", co-sleeping, ebf, etc etc etc, and love it!

looking forward to getting to know you guys!
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CONGRATULATIONS, MOMNLOVENIT!!!! I am so thrilled for you! and what a neat birth! We have very similar birth story's (my baby was born at 4am after hours in the tub, bled too much afterwards, etc.....) in addition to children the same ages (about). You have inspired me to finally write my birth story (now that most of the horrid pain memory has gone....)....but can't right now since dd is tired and so am I!! Let us know how is is all going for you!

Welcome, again, Mollie! I remember you posting a few times before. It's nice to have you back!

Laurel..........I can not believe teh GAL of that woman to preach such un-Christ-like things in Relief Society!! Didn't the RS presidency do something? Did anyone speak up about how wrong such behavior is?
From Laurel's post, I just realized how cool it is now that everyone in the whole church is on the same lesson schedule every week. Our lesson on teaching children was terrific! Lot's of great comment, especially about lovingly teachign our children the gospel by example and gentle encouragement. I am starting to really like our ward. At first it was just so hard becuase it was sooooooooo different than our AWESOME branch in Ithaca (which I still miss), but everyone has something good to offer. And I am slowly starting to find mom's with idea's more like mine. (I realized this past sunday that all teh mom's who nurse happen to have callings in teh primary...that is why I never see them!)

I have a question for you all.....you may think it is strange, but please bear with me....what color bra do you wear? I had always assumed that it was *best to wear a white one since we wear garments, etc.....but my dh would be *really* happy if I had some different, more colorful bras...and to be honest I would to!!
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And oh yeah....we are going to be in Utah valley in about 3 weeks....I would love to get together with you mom's who live there and meet irl!!! (I know you might be too busy, Laurel..... ) What do you think?

And Bekka, we NEVER get tired of hearing from you!

And oh yeah (tired of hearing from me yet? ) I grew up in a ward with two homeschool families also and there kids were all WEIRD and socially enept also, though I know it doesn't have to be that way. They were just weird families, weird rules, etc....So I guess the lesson is that if you have a weird family, let your kids attend a school so that they have a chance to break free from the weirdness! (but I know none of you are weird)
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Youngnhappy, I thought your question wasn't wierd--just fun! I believe the only place we're supposed to wear a white bra is to the temple. Other than that, just as long as it is modest (not a contrast color underneath a sheer sweater or something sorry--just saw it this week and thought if you were _my daughter_ you would not be walking around with *that* on), i.e., isn't darker than whatever your shirt or top is, then I'm sure it doesn't matter. I have African American friends who (not LDS) usually wear black or brown bras to blend into their skin, and be less obvious underneath their clothes. So I'm sure it's the same principle.

Right now, the nursing bras that work for me just come in white. I'll probably be wearing them for the next decade . . .

Okay, this is starting to feel like a bunch of sisters or something . . . I mean, this is a conversation I'd have with my sister.

I remember one time in my RS the teacher started saying something that was way way off in truth etc., (can't remember what it was), and about ten women raised their hands to make comments, and made them very very effectively and kindly, so I hope the teacher didn't feel too interrupted, but it was a significant doctrinal issue, and we can't have that now, can we?!

BTW, congrats, momnloveit. Now that I've got your name right.
post #53 of 146
momnloveit - CONGRATULATIONS!!!-

Welcome Mollie Glad to have you here!

youngnhappymama- I would love to get to know some other Utah mammas. We live in So. Utah but travel north quite a bit.

I totally can relate to "wierd" homeschool families. My sister is one of them. I have actually said that I hope she puts her kids in public school. We are actively involved in "wierdness prevention" for our kids. We are very involved in our community. We are even hired by several school districts for two day workshops. We feel it is important for our children to interact with all age groups not just their own. I am also uncomfortable with all the problems inherent in teaching groups of children, even small groups you end up having to do a lot of crowd control rather than actual teaching. My dh and I taught primary for 6 years, we averaged 6-9 kids per year which is a small group compared to the average school class size yet only 10-15 minutes were actually spent on the lesson. It all comes down to the same thing though, whatever the decision. Our children are our stewardship to raise and teach prayerfully to the best of our abilities.

Have a great Tuesday everyone!

Sarah
post #54 of 146
Congrats. momnloveit! It seems like the last 2-3 weeks are the longest huh? Glad your little one is finally here.

Mollie- Welcome! I look forward to hearing from you some more.

Lisa- I think more teachers need to focus on staying on the scriptures and the lesson manual and we'd have a lot less speculation. Doesn't that remind you of your mission though? We always had to keep an open ear for false doctrine and try to politely correct it in the Phil.s.

I wear a white bra, I guess I always thought it would clash ya know? But I think it would be fine to wear another color.

OK here's my situation. I decided to start doing Pampered Chef a little. I'm only obligated to do 6 shows and then decide from there. I really love their kitchen stuff. Then last night I was reading their business policies handbook and ran across this under "children adn guests (re: meetings)":

"You may not bring infants or children to official PPC mtgs.

If you are a nursing mother and find that you need to feed your baby during a meeting, schedule a time to meet with your childcare provider between general sessions and workshops so you can be with your baby at those critical times. You can also arrange for another Consultant to take notes if you need to be away from the meeting."

I think these are for all meetings scheduled by the Home Office which I don't know if it includes our monthly training meeting but I immediately took offense to that. It implies that they want you to leave their meetings if you have a nursing infant to nurse let alone leave your infant. Ds is 16 mo.s so I feel comfortable leaving him with dh for our meetings here but I'm completely irked since they claim to be "supportive of families". Am I overreacting, I'm considering discontinuing it. I was never such an advocate of bf'ing before but since I had ds I realized that there is such a pervasive attitude in our culture that makes people think that a)you must nurse in private b/c it's gross or something and b) just by promoting that attitude it makes it very difficult for new moms to continue nursing for the min. year.

Any thoughts? I'll definitely write them a letter and let htem know how disappointed I am in their policy.
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Welcome Mollie! So glad to have you here! It's so fun to be able to discuss AP principles in combination with what we believe. Oh, and count me in if we do a little get together in the SL area in the next few weeks. Sounds like fun!

I wear white bras, mostly for convenience while nursing. I guess I've never really thought about it. But we wear colored clothes, so why not colored bras? Okay, so I do have some non-white bras, but they're not nursing bras and definitely not bras that I'm comfortable wearing in public! Okay, that was probably way too much information, sorry.

I get frustrated with people/groups that make it clear that children or babies aren't welcome. I guess that there are a lot of people who don't keep a handle on their kids and they end up dieturbing the meeting, but I guess I don't understand why a group that advertised being family friendly would exclude nursing babies from their meetings. I take Abby with me everywhere, and hae no problems nursing her everywhere I go.

So here's a question I've been wanting to ask- how often do your really leave your kids in the care of someone other than you or your dh? And how old were they before yous tarted leaving them? I'm getting some interesting feedback from people who can't believe that dh and I don't go out without her. She's in the middle of separation anxiety right now, and she doesn't know anyone else (including nearby grandparents) to spend time with them when we're not in the room. I just don't think that now is the time to be pushing for independence on her part- she's only nine months old! I mean, we've spent all this time trying to build up a secure relationship with her, trying to teach her that her needs will be met promptly! It just doesn't make sense that we would leave her with people that she wasn't comfortable with just so that we can get time to ourselves. We get lots of time when she's asleep at night, and dh is really good about staying with her so that I can go out by myself. Do you feel the need for couple time by yourselves? Am I normal for not feeling like I need to leave her? I really do love having her with me, I'm not looking for a way to get away from her. I guess I just need some validation...

I'm having a lonesome week this week- dh is gone on the pioneer trek with our ward for youth conference and he doesn't get back until Friday. I hate being alone in my house at night! I'm sitting in the basement with all the lights on and the tv blasting, dreading having to go to bed by myself! Hopefully, the week goes by fast!
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Stacymom....I feel for you beign home alone! I hate it also (this is why I am still up at 11pm....my dh isn't home from work yet...). Hang in there!

Thanks for all the feed back on bras! I am looking forward to breaking out of the all white bra rut!

My dh and I just went on a date on saturday night for the first time in about a year!!! It was fun (dd (almost 3 months) went with us, of course!). The kids weren't too freaked out or anything, they didn't even cry when we left! We had one of the nursery workers and her dh come and watch them for us (so ds was already familiar with her and felt safe with her, etc). This is the first time we've ever had a non-family member watch them. I think the very first time we ever left ds #1 with my parents for a date was when he was 20 months old. So yeah, I think 9 months is a little young....espcially if you don't really have any desire to leave her. We used to go on dates all the time but brought ds with us (when he was a baby)....it's really not that big of a deal. They stopped being "dates" when he was an older toddler.

So any n. utah moms who are interested in a get together about the week of August 11-17 let me know (pm me) and maybe we can organize something! That would be cool!
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Wow! You all are LDS?? I mean I have seen most of you posting before but of course didn't know, I mean how could I? heehee!

This is a GOOD thing, because I have tons of questions, especially now sincee I am at a horrible placece (spiritually) in my life.

Little background:

No religion growing up, finally about 6 years ago I met a woman who took me to her church, al;so had the sisters come over to do the- err, the lessons with me(forgive me can't remember what it is called). I was baptised I think 6 months later. I expected, wanted, to feel tis "feeling" but didn't. So then started my confusion. I thought I did something wrong or that I really wasn't being honest, but I THOUGHT I was. ANyway, spent the next few months going to church (Beaverton 3rd Ward- Oregon) and LOVING it. Felt so welcomed and goosebumpy. The Spirit was WOO- alive in me.

Moved from Oregon to North Carolina. Went to church once and didn't feel comfortable. Because I was comparing Oregon vs North Carolina experiences and in my my Oregon was THE best? Anyway, haven't been back since and of course have fallen vistim to everyone's gossip about the church. Found a few churches I really like but because of moving haven't found one since we moved her in October of 2001.

Now, MIl believes all people who are not christians(in her mind) are going straight to hell in a red and yellow hand basket). So, a few months ago, a topic came up and I announced I was NOT a Christian and she freaked. From then on I swore to prove to people that good and christian are not synonymous and that you can lead a good, honest life without being a Christian. Plan backfired, because I have really convinced myself God does not exist. Oops! I want to believe but not because of the fear of going to hell. I want to believe with my heart, not just my mind.

Ok, now back to LDS. The LDS church is the only church that I felt truely excepted. I want that back. I miss the sister missionaries and everyone else.

What should I do? My DH was raised Baptist, although he is not practicing and has been disenchanted with religion for quite some time now. So how can I get back with God?

This is serious and I need some good solid advice.

Thanks in advance,
Teresa
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To answer Stacymoms quesation~

Kailey will be 17 months old this month and we haven't ever left her, yet. We go on 'family dates' and have the best times. We would hate to be without her, and of course she without us. MIL has mentioned childcare and I have said I didn't have a child to hurry and put her in someone elses care.
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Welcome to the discussion, Diaperdiva! I have been a member all my life, but my mom is a convert and has remained active since she joined when she was 18. She has said that it was also super hard for her to be in a new ward from the one she was baptized in, and I've heard many other converts say the same. You get so comfortable in your ward and people know you better and know what you've been through and were there for you during your converstion. It takes some time to find that in a new ward. We recently moved and it's taken me a while to feel like I "fit in" in my new ward. I'm sure it was especially hard moving from Oregon to N. Carolina....they are complety different places and the people are very different (although the gospel is the same everywhere)!!

After you were baptized, what exactly was this "feeling" you were expecting to feel?

I personally feel like conversion is something that can take a whole life time. There are so many, many different faucets and aspects of the gospel, so much to absorb and mesh and apply and think about and pray about. Even though I have been a member all my life, I am converting every day. ( hope that makes sense! )

Find out if there are sister missionaries (my ds used to call them "sister maries, since missionary is so long! ) in your area and invite them over for dinner and explain to them how you are feeling, etc. (you can just call up the church 800 # or find a number for local congregations in your area in the phone book and just ask whomever answers the phone if there are sister missionaries serving in the area and what their phone number is...)

So to answer your final question about "getting back with God"...I would suggest just start talking to him (prayer) and find out what he thinks you should do!!! He is your father and LOVES you and wants to hear from you and worries when you worry and wants to help!!! So just let him help you!!
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After you were baptized, what exactly was this "feeling" you were expecting to feel?
I was expecting a wave of something glorious. I guess they pumped me up to feel this way. I had been told baptisms are incredible. But I just felt 'normal' for lack of a better word.

If I invite the sister missionaries over I am just going to bawl!