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post #41 of 108
This has been a very interesting read!
post #42 of 108
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Originally Posted by Jennisee
I also saw Miracle-Grow and commercial fungicide on their back porch.
Oh, dear. Another assumption destroyed.

This is going to change the way I shop in the natural food store. From now on, Certified Organic only, I guess. I had assumed that they simply couldn't afford certification and that I could trust Amish food products.
post #43 of 108
Well, I didn't find out much today. The health food store was pretty busy, and I just can't find a tactful way to ask, "So what's you're custom regarding....." I did, however, ask if there were any stores where I could buy cloth diapers, and was immediately given directions to the dry goods store, where I found a whole shelf of Gerber flats, prefolds, pins, vinyl pants, and training pants. I can't imagine they would sell it if there wasn't a market for it, but obviously I can't say for sure.

Sustainer, don't give up on them completely. You just have to ask questions, although I admitedly sometimes struggle w/ finding tactful ways to do it. I've done a lot of research lately, and it seems that unless there is a specific ordnung rule regarding something, you'll find a lot of variation among individual Amish families. Their HFS is full of products labeled organic, including grains, flours, beans, teas, tons of stuff. Some Amish here have free-range chickens, some keep them off the ground in a coop. Some pasture their cattle, some don't. The poultry processing plant here advertises their meat as "local, hormone-free, and antibiotic-free," although I forgot to ask if they buy only free-range chickens. I'm going to call the butcher shop that sells pork and beef and ask if their meat is hormone- and antibiotic-free, "like the chicken place." I started a thread about this in the healthy eating forum several weeks ago--and, come to think of it, I need to update about what I've found.
post #44 of 108
interesting!
post #45 of 108
very interesting thread...I would have never guessed they would use sposies.....
post #46 of 108
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Originally Posted by Sustainer
Oh, dear. Another assumption destroyed.

This is going to change the way I shop in the natural food store. From now on, Certified Organic only, I guess. I had assumed that they simply couldn't afford certification and that I could trust Amish food products.
I have to say, although I've seen it many times in Lancaster County PA, it is a very odd sight to see a horse-drawn pesticide sprayer.
post #47 of 108
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Originally Posted by thyme
horse-drawn pesticide sprayer.
That is just so wrong!
post #48 of 108
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Originally Posted by Sustainer
That is just so wrong!
post #49 of 108
I grew up in Lancaster county, and it's definitely a myth that Amish are "all natural." Their clothing are often sythetics, they use pesticides, they eat refined foods- you know, pretty much like the rest of America. There's a dry goods store in Ephrata that sells some cloth diapering stuff, as well as a mail order source out Route 30 called F.A.M.I.L.I.E.S. I'm sure some use cloth and many more don't (again, just like the rest of America).
post #50 of 108
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Originally Posted by annettemarie
I grew up in Lancaster county, and it's definitely a myth that Amish are "all natural." Their clothing are often sythetics, they use pesticides, they eat refined foods- you know, pretty much like the rest of America. There's a dry goods store in Ephrata that sells some cloth diapering stuff, as well as a mail order source out Route 30 called F.A.M.I.L.I.E.S. I'm sure some use cloth and many more don't (again, just like the rest of America).
Well... that's kind of a bummer.
post #51 of 108
We live in a highly populated Amish area. Around here ALL of the Amish cloth diaper. They only use sposies when they are out and about.

Please don't judge their whole community by that one families purchase. Even in their own community there is alot of diversity. I can't blame them for choosing sposies when they are out of the house. I can't think a horse and buggy makes for an easy place to change a diaper :LOL
post #52 of 108
I read the book Diaper Changes I forget the author either when I was pregnant with ds1 or shortly after he was born. The book had sources for cloth circa 2000 and many of them were either Amish or Amish catered businesses.

Some of the Amish around here must use cloth because I see huge lines full of flats from time to time (a very pretty sight).
post #53 of 108
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Originally Posted by Sustainer
Makes no sense to me. I guess in the back of my mind I've always thought that they not only use cloth but make their own (probably pinned prefolds under wool soakers). How hard would it be for someone who can sew all her own dresses to sew a prefold? And if they can wash clothes, why couldn't they wash diapers?

Just seems like they'd be the last people in the world to buy sposies.
Me too! If you can make those beautiful quilts how hard is it to hem a flat? and knit a soaker?

And why are buttons and zips not allowed, but adhesive tabs and absorbent gels?

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horse-drawn pesticide sprayer.
Oh I hate to think what it does to the dosing rate when the horse stops to crap!!
post #54 of 108
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Originally Posted by wannabe
Me too! If you can make those beautiful quilts how hard is it to hem a flat? and knit a soaker?

And why are buttons and zips not allowed, but adhesive tabs and absorbent gels?
I don't quite understand the exotification of the Amish. They're just people. Maybe they don't have time to hem a flat or knit a soaker. Maybe they don't want to. Lots of people don't.

ETA: And not all Amish women make quilts.
post #55 of 108
I don't think anyone's debating that they're people, but they do have their own culture that they keep separate from mainstream culture, and they are known to preserve old-fashioned traditions and methods and manual tools. It seems incongruous for them to use disposable diapers and pesticides.
post #56 of 108
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Originally Posted by Sustainer
I don't think anyone's debating that they're people, but they do have their own culture that they keep separate from mainstream culture, and they are known to preserve old-fashioned traditions and methods and manual tools. It seems incongruous for them to use disposable diapers and pesticides.
And yet many of them do. This thread seems to be perpetuating an awful lot of stereotypes and assumptions. Insert another religious or ethnic group in some of these sentences instead of "Amish" and I think people would see how stereotypical it really is.

I wanted to add- it seems to me it would make more sense to say, wow, my preconceptions about the Amish just weren't true, than, dang, the Amish aren't living up to my expectations. They are simple, darn it, and how hard would it be for them to use cloth?
post #57 of 108
Thanks, Annette You've saved me from some time-consuming nak-ing! :LOL
post #58 of 108
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Originally Posted by annettemarie
And yet many of them do. This thread seems to be perpetuating an awful lot of stereotypes and assumptions. Insert another religious or ethnic group in some of these sentences instead of "Amish" and I think people would see how stereotypical it really is.
I dunno... if I go back and insert MDC'ers instead of Amish, I could totally see this thread taking place on another board. MDC has its own culture that lead to a certain lifestyle.

Maybe if you could point out the sentences that you think have stereotypes, rather than just a series of posts talking about our assumptions about that group of people and how they were wrong, it would help?
post #59 of 108
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Originally Posted by annettemarie
I wanted to add- it seems to me it would make more sense to say, wow, my preconceptions about the Amish just weren't true, than, dang, the Amish aren't living up to my expectations. They are simple, darn it, and how hard would it be for them to use cloth?
I was just going to say something similar. Gosh they are talked about in this thread like they are some sort of exotic species not just a set of people with a typically more simple way of life.
post #60 of 108
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Originally Posted by KristiMetz
I dunno... if I go back and insert MDC'ers instead of Amish, I could totally see this thread taking place on another board. MDC has its own culture that lead to a certain lifestyle.
Yeah, but how would that make you feel?

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Maybe if you could point out the sentences that you think have stereotypes, rather than just a series of posts talking about our assumptions about that group of people and how they were wrong, it would help?
Honestly, I don't think it would be a good idea for me to go through the thread picking apart posts. I don't want to do it. But I do feel the sentiment is here that the Amish should be held to some sort of imaginary standard that has been created based on preconceptions of how "Amish people" are supposed to be.
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