Sposies, Sposies EVERYWHERE at a LLL meeting!?!?!?!?!?!? - Page 3

[radish]

And...not saying the LLL mamas are simpletons BUT most of the mamas at my LLL ar smart, savvy, informed women - they read about AP/NFL/etc and a lot have internet access, I am sure some of them have come across cloth in some way or other. I know I did.

My point is I agree with the OP and others that it is ironic or suprising that more dont CD. That's all/ No judging or saying I am a better mom, just MHO.

[Mothra]

I'm just in complete and total shock that someone went to a LLL meeting looking to compare wool fitteds and whatever else nonsense.

Non-cd clique? Are you for real?

I feel like I'm reading something on the Onion.

[radish]

Tiffany -

Mothra -

[Mothra]

To be completely honest, it sounds like you were excluded because you were being rude. Did you really lay your child down in the middle of a circle and change their diaper? That is just rude. I don't care how cute the diaper is, what goes it in it not.

And yes, I use cloth diapers because I am fortunate enough to have access to the Internet to get the information I need, because I am privileged enough to have lump sums of money to purchase the diapers all at once, and because I have laudry facilities in my home. It is PRIVILEGE to be able to use cloth diapers and all of this talk is classist, classist, elitist, classist, and just disgusting.

[radish]

And if your attitude is that you are better than them because you cd (and frankly i think that you DO feel that way even if you deny it here), then no wonder they didn't invite you into their circle. Also, it takes time to get to know someone in the LLL arena.

FFS! She went looking to find a CD-FRIEND not to shame sposie moms!!!

I am ALWAYS on the look out for CD mamas and when I see one I start talkin dipes right away. Just like when I see a BF or EBF Mama I do the same. Doesnt mean I shame FF Mamas does it?? Common bond, that's all.

Why is that so hard for so many people to understand or believe???

[PatchyMama]

forget it, its pointless radish... its just another chance for people to pick on the cloth diaper forum. And MDC wonders why half the posters of this forum dont like to post elsewhere.

FYI-

Classist - Bias based on social or economic class.

Cloth diapering has nothing to do with your social or economic class. You can do it if you are poor (prefolds and cheap covers) or you can do it if your rich. There is no bias there.

[Britishmum]

"This is a natural family living board and disposables are not natural!"

Absolutely.

And LLL meetings are for support for breastfeeding, not for NFL.

I don't think anyone is picking on the diaper forum. I post all over the boards here, including diapering. But the title and tone of this thread does come across as being superior and judgemental imo. Rather like the comments about disposable users not knowing how often to change their babies' nappies.

The reality is that it is difficult to get information about cloth diapering, or even to know it is an issue. I consider myslef to be very well informed about most parenting issues, but came across cd information far later than I came across information about breastfeeding. And in the early days of motherhood, the research that was needed was too overwhelming for me to tackle. I chose to tackle things that seemed more serious to me first - like breastfeeding, feeding solids, vaccinations, co-sleeping..........

For those of you who 'got it' all at once, that's great. But lighten up on those who don't get every aspect right in your eyes, for goodness sake.

And this is coming from someone who loves cloth diapers! I just don't expect everyone else to agree with me or to have discovered what I discovered. And I consider breastfeeding a far more important contribution to a child's welfare than cloth diapers.

[onlyboys]

Originally Posted by mama2kyla

Cloth diapering has nothing to do with your social or economic class. You can do it if you are poor (prefolds and cheap covers) or you can do it if your rich. There is no bias there.

Actually, many poor mamas sincerely *don't* have enough money to buy prefolds or covers. In addition, those same mamas may not have access to a "free" washing machine either, and would have to use a laundromat type place which can be very expensive.

Cloth diapering is not a free or cheap solution to diapering.

FWIW, I'm not bashing the diapering forum, just pointing out that the there are elements of those -isms in cloth diapering.

[Britishmum]

"And MDC wonders why half the posters of this forum dont like to post elsewhere."

Ironically, I understood it that a lot of posters in diapering don't like to post elsewhere because they do not practice many other aspects of AP and NFL, they are just diapering enthusiasts.

I think you'd find that most posters who are not into diapering have the diapering posts screened out of their 'New Posts' so wouldnt have even seen this thread. Personally, I am responding as a cloth diaper user and enthusiast, not as someone coming onto your forum and attacking you. I"m sure others are too.

[Aura_Kitten]

Actually, many poor mamas sincerely *don't* have enough money to buy prefolds or covers. In addition, those same mamas may not have access to a "free" washing machine either, and would have to use a laundromat type place which can be very expensive.

yes, that.

i live in an apartment complex where 1 load of laundry costs $1.25 to wash and $1 to dry. at best, i can wash 10 diapers and 3-4 covers per load.

since my daughter was born, we've done 1 load of towels (from the birth) and the rest has been diaper laundry, and we're already halfway through our laundry budget for the month. i'm quailing because my SO still doesn't have a job and i have all of $180 for everything, not just until the end of the month but until whenever he finds a job.

i might have to stop cd'ing for a little while just so we can have clean clothes, or start handwashing everything. (i'm not even going to address the issue of bills...)

so please, before you say cd'ing is always cheaper..... it's not.

and before you judge a mama ~ for anything ~ maybe you should try to look at life from her perspective...

[WhimsyTyme]

First I want to address this comment -

Originally Posted by Village Mama

Great to inspire some honesty here!

I don't want you to mistake that you inspired my honesty. I am a very honest and blunt person - to some, these are two of my more admirable traits.

Next I want to address all of the mamas that have a problem with this thread - If you started reading it and you had a problem with it, you didn't have to continue reading it or even post. But you chose to, just as I chose to post the thread and title it as I did.


The irony I see here is that you don't want me to deny anyone/those women thier choice (and I didn't, nor would I); yet, you deny me my opinion. In addition you pretend to know what intentions (mine or thiers) were at a meeting that you did not even attend. Also you have judged me in saying that despite my admitions, honesty and explanations that I am a CDing SNOB. Well on you!!!! I am happy, proud of, confident with and open about the choices I have made. If this makes me a CDing SNOB then I proudly wear label you have given me!!!!!! :yawning:


As for the mamas that understand why I posted this thread and/or where I am coming from - THANK YOU MAMAS! I needed to unload and voice my curiosity and awe and you let me. THANK YOU MAMAS!!!!! You understand my need to physically share fitteds and wool with others! THANK YOU MAMAS!!!!! Quite simply - YOU GET IT! THANK YOU MAMAS!!!!


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[AugustLia23]

Umm, I'm coming in pretty late here, but I want to say I totally understand where your coming from WhimsyTyme. I mean, I don't live in a very crunchy area, so I don't really go out expecting ANYONE around me to CD, even at an LLL meeting. I sincerely wish that there were families around me that EBF, CD(obsessivly like I do), and other ways of more NFL.

I don't look down on families that use paper diapers. Most don't know there's any other option. I try to tell people about what CDing really is, but they aren't even interested. It would be so wonderful if I could share my LOVE of fitteds and wool with people who understood that it's breathable, cool on their bum, and one of the best materials for a diaper cover around. That's why I'm on this board. It's as close as I can get.

[pritchettzoo]

I don't see how it is difficult or elitist to use cloth diapers. If you are concerned about chemicals and your baby, as these moms apparently were, how hard is it to go to the library (free computer access) and google for information? Prairie people didn't have internet access nor paypal accounts, and they managed to figure out how to wrap some cloth around their babies' tushies. It doesn't take specialized knowledge to know that there is SOMETHING in the disposable diapers that absorbs the pee and leaves weird little gel balls everywhere. What would it be if not a chemical?

Wal-Mart carries cloth diapers! Right near the disposable diapers! As does BRU and other stores easily accessible to the masses.

It is up to me as a mother to check out anything that goes on or in my child's body to the best of my ability. An LLL meeting would seem like a likely place to find cloth diapering friends. I was disappointed I didn't find any. Do I think that my choice in cloth diapers is superior to the choice of disposable diapers? YES. Am I superior to all other mothers who choose differently? NO. I'm sure I'll screw up my kid some other way.

[Just*Lindsay]

I am also late but also wanted to say, I agree with the OP. I dont feel like arguing this afternoon, so maybe tomorrow. Thats all. Thanks!

[KayleeZoo]

WhimsyTyme, I understand, sympathize and agree with you. Had a long post typed out, but it sounded a tad bit confrontational and that's not what I'm going for. Hope the next meeting is better for ya!

[kblue]

Originally Posted by lindsayloo2020

I am also late but also wanted to say, I agree with the OP. I dont feel like arguing this afternoon, so maybe tomorrow. Thats all. Thanks!

ROFL Linds!!! :LOL

Why is that whenever there is a slightly "hot" topic, people rush in to attack the regulars of the diapering board?? And why are we thought of as less NFL/AP than the rest of MDC?

WhimsyTyme!

[Britishmum]

"Why is that whenever there is a slightly "hot" topic, people rush in to attack the regulars of the diapering board??"

I, for one, said in my post that I am a cd user and fairly regular poster on the diapering forum, along with a lot of other forums on mdc. I certainly wasn't rushing in to attack anyone, but was giving an alternative point of view.

"And why are we thought of as less NFL/AP than the rest of MDC? "

Who said that and where? Just because some people thought the OP harsh, doesn't mean that they were saying that diapering regulars were less anything than anyone else.

I can understand the OP's disappointment. But I cannot understand the attitude of her and some posters here towards those mamas who they view as less enlightened than themselves. There is a tone of superiority, judgement and arrogance running through this thread that I find most uncomfortable.

Several people have pointed out how cds are difficult, or even impossible for some people, or even for themselves. One poster this afternoon pointed out that she cannot afford to do the laundry for her cds. It seems that some people are just choosing to ignore that reality if it is pointed out to them.

Several posters have also pointed out that while cd information is available if you are aware of the issues, the reality is that the issue is not 'out there' in the public eye.

I personally researched natural birth, breastfeeding, extended breastfeeding, tandem nursing, vaccinations, healthy eating, gentle discipline, circumcision, the family bed, blah blah blah. All those issues were 'out there' and far more available and obvious issues to research, imo, than cloth diapers. Cloth diapering came further down on my list of hot topics to research than it did obviously to many of you.

Maybe some of you managed to research every issue and had every NFL issue in your consciousness before you had your first baby. I was not that competent.

So I was one of those terrible disposable users that the OP might have seen at her LLL meeting. I'm glad that nobody at my LLL meetings felt any need to 'boast their superiority' and at least if they felt the way that the OP felt about those at her meeting, they kept quiet.

It saddens me to read posts with this sort of attitude on mdc, on any forum. And it saddens me even more that so many of you see nothing wrong with it.

And as for the OP's notion that if someone doesnt agree with you, they should just ignore the thread - if we all took that attitude nothing would get discussed and all we'd do would have threads where people patted themselves on the back for making good points. This is a discussion board, and people are trying to give different perspectives. Obviously the OP does not want to consider any of these as possibly valid, which is sad imo. If you want to gain converts, there are many better ways than taking this attitude either IRL of on the boards.

[radish]

Several people have pointed out how cds are difficult, or even impossible for some people, or even for themselves. One poster this afternoon pointed out that she cannot afford to do the laundry for her cds. It seems that some people are just choosing to ignore that reality if it is pointed out to them.

No one is ignoring this - I just dont see how it is relevant.

Read the last paragraph in her OP:

MAMAS, I do love you guys and all, but I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY want a mama here in the physical/real life to share ing w/ too!!!!!!! If I can't find 'em at a LLL meeting, where will I find 'em?!?!?!?!?

She was looking for CD mamas and thought she might find them there. Next thing you know Mamas are giving the third degree on what LLL meetings are for (duh!) and the difference between NFL/AP, making excuses for women (that they dont know) who arent using cloth (??!!) etc etc...

[Village Mama]

Last time I will post on this ... No personal attack was intended here. We all just need to be a little bit more understanding and look outside of ourselves sometimes... Seems like a pretty silly thing to divide people... who knows if one of those disposable totin mamas could have been the most amazing person you have ever met. If you read much of what has been written here, it is coming from a positive place( once I finished calling you snobbish! ) not as an attack on a regular on this board.Tis is the real work we need to do on ourselves in order to have peace...

[LaffNowCryLater]

Originally Posted by NorfolkMommy

LaffNowCryLater - Monica uses cloth too, so there are 2 moms at that group Our VAB LLL mornings is inactive right now . I have been to a few LLL mornings and no cloth in sight.


Yeah, I am constanly surprised that more people at LLL here does not use cloth. My first LLL meeting was in another state and a few moms there used cloth. Luke's Drawers in fact, it was cool.

Oh yeah, I remember hearing her mention it now!!

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I am planning on going to the LLL meeting in Ches., at the General Hospital area. I am gonna call to see if they are actuve. It is the 3rd Sat. of evey month.