Sposies, Sposies EVERYWHERE at a LLL meeting!?!?!?!?!?!? - Page 4

[Aura_Kitten]

..... She was looking for CD mamas and thought she might find them there. Next thing you know Mamas are giving the third degree on what LLL meetings are for (duh!) ....

... but doesn't it strike you as a bit silly that she went to a la LECHE league meeting looking for CLOTH DIAPERING mamas?

come on now. even you said "duh" about what LLL meetings are for...

from the LLLI website: Founded in 1956 by seven women who had learned about successful breastfeeding while nursing their own babies, La Leche League is the only organization with the sole purpose of helping breastfeeding mothers.

it has nothing to do with AP, nor NFL ~ it's about breastfeeding.

that is what strikes me as so *off* about the OP, and i think that's why so many people are nitpicking on this.

now... i'm leaving the thread, because this is just getting ridiculous.

[Camellia]

Originally Posted by klothos

... but doesn't it strike you as a bit silly that she went to a la LECHE league meeting looking for CLOTH DIAPERING mamas?

come on now. even you said "duh" about what LLL meetings are for...

from the LLLI website: Founded in 1956 by seven women who had learned about successful breastfeeding while nursing their own babies, La Leche League is the only organization with the sole purpose of helping breastfeeding mothers.

it has nothing to do with AP, nor NFL ~ it's about breastfeeding.

that is what strikes me as so *off* about the OP, and i think that's why so many people are nitpicking on this.

now... i'm leaving the thread, because this is just getting ridiculous.

Ok, I'm going to make some assumptions here....I doubt Whimsytymes *only* reason for going to LLL was to meet ofther cding moms. I imagine she went for bfing support and was hoping there would be other cding mamas there.

When there weren't she was disapointed. *Many* mothers have posted in diapering that LLL is the one place they often find other mothers who cd (Not that they went specifically looking for other cding mothers). She has a right to feel a bit disheartened to not have the same luck.

Then she came to a diapering forum on and NFL board to share her disapointment.

Seems logical enough to me. Unfortunately it turned into this huge debate about whether she is a diaper snob or not

I guess I just don't understand.

[Just*Lindsay]

Originally Posted by Lindsaylou

Seems logical enough to me. Unfortunately it turned into this huge debate about whether she is a diaper snob or not

I guess I just don't understand.

From one Lindsay to another:

[Camellia]

Originally Posted by lindsayloo2020

From one Lindsay to another:

[Just*Lindsay]

Originally Posted by Lindsaylou

Gotta feel the LindsayLoo(Lou) love: You feelin it?

[mraven721]

When I attended my first LLL meeting was the first time I saw a sling(s) IRL. It wasn't long before I had one of my own.
When I traded on the TP was the first time I saw a CD IRL.
I will be the only mama I know of at my large meeting to be CD my child. That's ok though, I bet I'll have some converts soon enough! But now that you mention it, it is suprising!

Michelle

[dharmama]

I'm so late....but just wanted to say that I can totally relate to the OP.

I was at a mom and baby yoga class this week and I found myself scanning the room hoping to find a CD-ing mama (Didn't. But one mama asked about my dipes and the teacher complimented me on them. ) Of course I didn't go to yoga in search of cloth diapers but it would have been a nice bonus!

I am lucky that there are several CD-ing mamas at my LLL meeting. I don't judge the mamas there who are not CD-ing (and for all I know they CD at home and use sposies when they are out - I have friends who do that too) but I definitely feel an affinity with the CD-ing mamas.

And I understand what the purpose of LLL is but at least in my group we talk about a LOT more than breastfeeding. I'd say the after-LLL meeting (the 1+ hours that we stick around talking after the formal meeting is over) is the best part!

We talk about babywearing and co-sleeping and relationships with our partners and whether or not we are vaxing (and which ones if we are) and which pedi's are AP friendly. I think a lot of us there feel an instant...ahhhhhhh.....I am not a total freak of nature...there are other mamas like me...when we come to the meetings. The first time I went to an LLL meeting it was like MDC in person. I was SOOOOO excited....tandem nursers, slinging mamas, family bedders, CD-ing mamas....oh my!!

So mama I feel your pain and I don't think it makes you a snob....just human. It's nice to be around people that are interested in the same things that we are.

Good luck in your search...

~Erin

[TigerTail]

sigh... just how much money & how many years do you have to have spent cding to be able to post anything here other than 'oooh, fluffy mail!' & not be accused of coming from 'outside' to 'attack the regulars'? i was cding when some of you were IN your 'sposies. (my dd was born in '86, so close at least!) and i was a regular in this forum pre-lala. there are probably some people here who don't remember *heather* as mod.

it's pretty clear that the women here (i wouldn't even say 'dissenting', more 'astonished') with alternate points of view to share are cloth-diapering, cloth-diapering supportive mamas. i didn't call anyone a snob, just pointed out that if someone assumed i just didn't know any better & tried to gently educate me about the existance of cloth diapers because they saw my baby in the evil 'sposie, well, depending on their approach, i'd either have a hell of a laugh, roll my eyes, or if they were very sweet about it i suppose we could end up discussing which version of fbs we liked best, lol.

to just bulldoze everybody that says 'hey, wait a sec, didja consider this?' is not a great way to open one's self to learning experiences. and to call fellow cding mamas 'attackers' & portray them as equivalent to ffers from another board coming here to troll bfing, is absurd.

suse

[Camellia]

Originally Posted by lindsayloo2020

Gotta feel the LindsayLoo(Lou) love: You feelin it?

I'm feelin' it

[Camellia]

Suseyblue - With all sincerety I'm wondering which post you are addressing? I am new here so maybe my question seems silly, but I'm not sure who was attacking or being accused of attacking etc....

I honestly think this whole debate came about because people took the "tone" of the OP differently. Having known Whimsytyme from other posts I took her post at face value. She had a dissapointing experience and was sharing with like minded folk.

I'm just trying to see where you are coming fomr in your post, because I'm not clear what you or who you are speaking of (or about).

Thanks

[amebt]

I'm jumping in late, but I totally understand the OP. I go to LLL monthly and the first time I went I looked for cd. I met one mom who uses prefolds and plastic pants. I was hoping that there would be other moms who would understand my obsession. But I am converting a few ladies and that is cool.
And now the leader wants me to bring in my diapers to show everyone that cd have come a long way.

[TigerTail]

Originally Posted by Lindsaylou

Suseyblue - With all sincerety I'm wondering which post you are addressing? I am new here so maybe my question seems silly, but I'm not sure who was attacking or being accused of attacking etc....

I'm just trying to see where you are coming fomr in your post, because I'm not clear what you or who you are speaking of (or about).

Thanks

'its just another chance for people to pick on the cloth diaper forum.'

'Why is that whenever there is a slightly "hot" topic, people rush in to attack the regulars of the diapering board??'

clarified?

of course, i was addressing the thread in toto (& the OP), but there are some particulars.

suse

[Britishmum]

Amebt, that's great!

It seems to me that the disagreement here is not about whether it is understandable that the OP was disappointed, or whether it is maybe surprising that more people don't cd, but about the tone of the postings about those who don't share our point of view about diapering.

The judgemental tone, imo, came in with comments about people being hypocritical to talk of feeding organic baby food but not use cloth diapers, because of the chemicals used in disposables. Following that logic, anyone here who injects chemicals into their child along with vaccinations is even more 'hypocritical', or anyone who uses any form of chemical cleaners in their home, or anyone who is not perfect for that matter in any aspect of NFL.

That is not the meaning of 'hypocritical'.

It is simply a fact that almost nobody is perfect in their efforts to live a natural lifestyle. Nobody knows everything, and some people havent yet discovered the facts about cloth diapering. Others have decided that it's not for them, for whatever reason, just as people decide whether or not to vaccinate.

Maybe we are reading the tone of the OP differently, but it would seem to me that a more gentle attitude both IRL and on the boards would be more likely to gain converts. When I go out, I change my dd wherever I need to. If someone asks me about the diaper, I talk to them, but I am no more concerned to 'show off' my lovely diapers than I am to show off that I breastfeed or feed organic foods anything else. Maybe I am misreading the tone of the posts, but certainly to me, they seem overly judgemental of those who havent taken the same paths as ourselves.

And again, nobody is coming here as a disposable user to attack anyone. The posters here, if you read carefully, are also cloth users, but those who are taking a different perspective.

I know I'm in a minority here, as I have been when I have tried to post an alternative view on those terrible disposable users who don't change disposables every two hours, like those at the LLL meeting. But I just don't feel that I can identify with this sort of attitude to those who don't share my own personal views, or condone it by being silent.

[Camellia]

I guess I am still trying to find a balance of when its ok to speak up loud and clear on a topic and when I should bow my head and be very soft on a topic. Some members are adament that we should vent because this is an AP/NFL board, and others feel we should never vent because someone might get their feelings hurt. I am trying to settle in the middle.

I feel for those who were possible hurt or irked by the OP. I personally was not, but obviously a few were.

Now I can see why more and more people are sticking to "fluff" posts because this is exhausting! I'm sure there will be some learning on my part happening from having posted on this thread. That is why I post on MDC at all! But it does get tiring.

I can see all POV on this thread. But I guess I just feel like I would have to take hours to post if I was to make it so that there was not a person in the world that might be offended.

Its been said over and over agian, and I have changed my POV on the topic a few times, but if we can't vent about the lack of (bfing, cding, babywearing, HB, non-vaxing, no circing etc...) here on MDC then where can we? The OP wasn't out to get anyone....that is why she came here to post her feelings.

Maybe I am way off base, and if I am then I will think long and hard on what everyone has said. I don't think I know it all by a long shot. Just sharing the POV from where I stand at this moment. I will go back and re-read some posts and see if I can pull something else out of what ya'll have said.

[radish]

Well, I give the OP the benefit of the doubt, that they she was open and friendly and wanted to chat about CDs. I think a vent is just that - a vent. Accusing her of being rude and deserving of their or paranoid is really mean.

If I post a vent about my DH I dont expect everyone to pop in and say, "Oh gosh, you probably deserved it!" or "I hope you don't talk to your DH the way you "sound" in your post", "Oh gosh, DHs arent perfect, get over yourself!!" etc etc.

[TigerTail]

who was offended? who was (least of all, me! lol) protesting the need to vent? i love vent threads, do a search & see my defense of the right to be pissy.

but if i vent, there is a way to present an alternate viewpoint (now, isn't that a gentle way to say 'disagree'? ) without saying, 'oh gosh, you probably deserved it!' i want to hear other people's thoughts, even if they don't always mesh with mine- i already have a parrot.

suse

[kblue]

Originally Posted by suseyblue

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'Why is that whenever there is a slightly "hot" topic, people rush in to attack the regulars of the diapering board??'

I said that. I do feel as though the OP and anyone who agreed with her WAS attacked. That's why I said that. I feel very badly for the OP, she was slammed and treated very harshly by some.

and to call fellow cding mamas 'attackers' & portray them as equivalent to ffers from another board coming here to troll bfing, is absurd.

Wow! That's a pretty big assumption you're making there! Did I say anything about you being equivalent to a ffing troll??? You didn't like my assumption, so why did you make one about me?

[kblue]

Originally Posted by Britishmum

"And why are we thought of as less NFL/AP than the rest of MDC? "

Who said that and where? Just because some people thought the OP harsh, doesn't mean that they were saying that diapering regulars were less anything than anyone else.

You did: "Ironically, I understood it that a lot of posters in diapering don't like to post elsewhere because they do not practice many other aspects of AP and NFL, they are just diapering enthusiasts."

Not sure why that is what you understood. The reason I don't participate in many other MDC forums is because I enjoy buying cloth diapers and am looked down upon for being a "consumerist" outside the diapering board, not because I don't practice NFL/AP. I'm not sure, but I think quite a few other mamas who stick to the diapering board feel the same way.

[ChristinaB]

HOLY MOLY! Drop it already. I'm sorry Melanie.

This is a CLOTH DIAPERING forum and she was venting about a CLOTH DIAPERING situation, period.

[TigerTail]

i think the implication that anyone saying 'whoa' anywhere in this forum is a troublesome outsider is pretty obvious. it's getting kind of old. i said i understood the desire to show off my pretty dipes; i also think expecting LLL to be an extension of the hyena club is like expecting everyone there to be vegan... that reflects some nfl mamas & some mothers who post here, but not all.

i'd like your honest responses; if every mama there cd'd, but had their kids in a pinned white pf with a plain white pull-on whisper-wrap (and still looked at the OPer like she had two heads for getting gushy about the cute fancy dipes), would there still be such a 'wah! they're not one of US!' feeling of disappointment being generated?

suse

ps and if it 'mean' to suggest (nicely & kiddingly) paranoia to think one isn't invited to lunch because one cd's... um. nobody really would seriously think that, right? that the world is against us for cding, and other mamas hate us? most people are really not that interested in analyzing other mom's choices of bum cover, i think.