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post #81 of 166
cloth, actually, is often recommended by leaders so that you may know if baby is having enough pees in the early weeks. it can be a great helper for breastfeeding mothers.

our leaders recommend it strongly.

of course almost all the mamas in our group already use cloth.

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having read this whole thread:

cloth diapering is part of being gentle and respectful to your baby. period. i dont understand how people dont see that.

tabitha
post #82 of 166
You know what, i mothered my child gently and respectfully in all the eight months that i did not use cloth, and continued to do so after. I guess i get where you're coming from with that statement, Tabitha, but i feel that it is perfectly possible to be a gentle and attached mother who respects her baby without using cloth. That's all. I hope that your personal world view doesn't hold that one CAN"T be a gentle and respectful mother if one doesn't use cloth.
post #83 of 166
I'm also coming in here late and have not read every single post so I apologize if this has already been beaten to the ground but it seems like the OP was not too far off in wondering why these people are putting their babies in sposies which are filled with chemicals when they are spouting off about their organic lifestyles:

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I mean these women were sitting around talking negatively about mamas that feed thier babies jarred food. They were talking about all of the CRAP in the jarred foods, including the organic ones. They continued to talk about thier organic diets and how good it was for the bebe.
It appears that these women were the ones who were being judgmental to start with and honestly, if I heard them talking like that I would wonder the same thing.

The OP stated she went to the meeting because she was thinking about becoming a leader and these were observations that she made. It is funny to read how things have gotten skewed in this thread from what the OP originally commented on.

In any case, no, a person should not go to a LLL and expect the mothers there to be cloth diapering and slinging moms but I don't think it is too far off the mark to take a guess that there is a good possibility that there may be a few. Heck, in the LLL's magazine there are even ads for slings!

OK, I just had to add my 2 cents.
post #84 of 166
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Originally Posted by ja mama
Breastfeeding and chemicals in jarred food have something in common. They are nourishment being ingested into the child.

Diapers are topical. They may or may not irritate the baby's skin. But they are not ingested.

LLL is there for nutritional support. For how the food goes into the baby, not what type of diaper the leftovers come out into.


While I agree that diaper chemicals are not ingested. Skin does absorb what it comes into contact with. So some of the chemicals and dioxin leftover from bleaching does get into baby's system.
post #85 of 166
chemigogo- it is a process. i have learned new ways to be gentle and respectful. not everyone has all the knowledge they need at the time.

but we also have a responsibility to educate ourselves.
post #86 of 166
OK so after all of this I have to wonder if the OP only saw cheap prefolds and gerber vinyl covers would she have been just as dissapointed?

Also if htere had been other cloth diaperers who didn't give a rip about what brand she was using and what style or that it was wool would you still be dissapointed because no one commentedon how nice yours are.

I guess I have never understood the hyena thing non been all that impressed with the expensive diapers and never really cared what someones kid had on thier bum so long as it was working foir them (although I always applaud the choice to use cloth) All I would have noticed if you had been at that meeting was you flaunting your possesions and changing your baby right out in the middle of everything which i consider bad manners and may be why the moms seemed put off by you changing her in the manner that you did, it probably had nothing to do with your choice of diapers.

I have been on this forum longer than most of you (lest you think I am coming just to rip on you), I do remember heather as a moderator, I belive I joined and was thrilled with this forum sometimes along the line of 1999/early 2000 ish, before my second child was born. I stopped coming for a while since this board was so deadfully slow. no more than 2-3 posts on a good day. :LOL

And a general note on diaper snobbery. As cloth diaper advocates it is importnat to mind what you say and how you share. There a certain diaper elitism that goes on and it drives me crazy. I remember the first time I met someone who used something besides prefolds being made to feel like my gerber, polyester spongeing diapers and vinyl pull on pants (which I had been quite happy with by the way) were worse for my baby than disposable. Poeple looking at the set up in disgust, coming here and hearing how yucky they were and how could anyone do that to thier baby. I actually did switch back to disposables after a while because my cloth just wasn't good enough. I was going to give her rashes and heat stroke . . . And then I was told even my prefolds sucked because they were filled with polyester (something I was blissfully unaware of). * years later I am carful to get diapers that are 100% cotton but I still use mostly prefolds and some onesize diapers my friends gave me (I never would have been able to afford them and if Ihad thought they were the only choice for cloth diapering when I started I never ever would have even bothered looking into it further) and i made some nice flannel ones that are cute and simple. But apparently flannel sucks. But I don't care anymore. I have relized what ever absorbs pee works and people have been using non breathable diapers for generations and no one has been tewribly effected yet. I'm OK with system and my children are OK with it but I am ure there are people here who would think "How can she use that" or "that is hardly natrual enough poor baby : " So when you strut your stuff be careful what kind of vibes you are putting off. I understand you want to show off your fluff but please don't do at the expense of someone else feeling bad about not having stuff as nice as you or as expensive as you and careful that you don't come off making cloth diapering look so expensive and complicated that they shouldn't even bother.
post #87 of 166
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Originally Posted by lilyka
OK so after all of this I have to wonder if the OP only saw cheap prefolds and gerber vinyl covers would she have been just as dissapointed?
Why has this turned into a prefold vs. hyena dipe debate??

The OP was disappointed that she didn't see CLOTH. She never said she was disappointed about not seeing hyena dipes. I'm not the OP, but I think she would've been happy to see another mom who was educated enough to not use disposables no matter what type of cloth it was.

ETA: sorry to keep this going ChristinaB.
post #88 of 166
I converted to cloth after seeing cloth at LLL.

I went to LLL this week and *expected* to see cloth there. And I did!

I don't think it is wrong to expect or hope to see cloth at LLL.

I also go for the bf support and the social aspect. All of it.
post #89 of 166
Good post Vkbrebs and Kimberly...

Very good observation Kellie!!!!! Don't be sorry, you're not missing the point of the post. I find it pointless to keep going on and on about this though... can I say it again? CLOTH DIAPERS
post #90 of 166
I was just asking. She made a point of mentioning hyena dypes specifically and wanting to show them off (and my definition of hyena dipe is anything over $12 dollars) so I was wondering if she would have felt the same let down if there was no one to go gaga over the her dipes. Was it just that she wanted to see the world in cloth or was it that she wanted someone to sit and chat about diapers with. Both neutral, just wondering.

And I was just commenting on the whole diaper snobbery thing because it always crops up in posts like this and then then people pretend it doesn't exist or doesn't see how it hurts diaper advocacy. And a diaper advocate is the the best you can hope to be in a room full of non-cloth diapering mamas.
post #91 of 166
Okay I haven't read all the posts but I can tell its a heated debate but would like to comment to the OP. There might have very well been CD users in the group. I have CD my DD pretty much since birth but It took me a while to brave cloth in public. (Though I did use tushies at least and maybe so are these moms?) maybe you showing confidence with using CD in public made somone think well if she can do it so can I.
A attend a playgroup with many AP, cosleeping BF, slinging CD moms. Yet when ever we "recruit" a new member about 90% of the time they will be a CD user but only at home, but when they see us think nothing of changing a poppy CD right in the middle of the park, they begin to relax and after a while we see them sart to bring their kids in CDs, we also have those who stick with the huggies and I at least wont think of them anyless than my CD friends.

Deanna
post #92 of 166
Thread Starter 
I actually dread opening the diaper thread now - wondering what hung-up mama took me wrong and now has thier panties/dipes in a wad!

suseyblue - I never said I wan't invited to lunch because I CDd, you simply ASSUMED that. There were probably a few reasons, my proud CDing just being one of them. I wouldn't participate in thier jarred food cutting or on a couple of other "bad mamas do this" discussions, again because I was in awe at the double standard.

lilyka - I find it humorous that you have decided what the defining price is for a hyena dipe and then proceeded to blast me for daring to be proud of what falls into your category. You ASSUME that I have the same defining price or that I even care what yours is.

Many of you have taken my simple comments and screwed them all up so that you can get up on your high horses and tell me that I have no right to my opinion or to a tone (if there was one). And that to be "nice" if I am going to post here. That I basically need to post in a manner that won't tick you off or rub you the wrong way. Well, this post obviously wasn't meant for you, so I wasn't taking you into consideration! You too are ASSUMING too much in regards to your influence or the validity of anything that you have posted. [B]What I have found interesting is that when I painstakingly went back through your post history, many of you have never posted here before and if you have it has not really been in support of anything. While stalking this thread pretty much none of you have even offered any advice or good will to any of the mamas in any of the other MANY threads here in this forum. SHAME ON YOU! I must have missed it but is there a search bar just for potentially controversial threads? 'Cause you all obviously used it to get here!" : [B]


Once again I say THANK YOU MAMAS, that say it is okay to have a vent, an opinion and heaven forbid an observation!!!! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU for voicing your support and exasperation! I would like to thank you all individually but I am afaird I might overlook someone and I certainly wouldn't want to do that! Thanks for sharing the FLUFF!!!!
post #93 of 166
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Originally Posted by mama2kyla
forget it, its pointless radish... its just another chance for people to pick on the cloth diaper forum. And MDC wonders why half the posters of this forum dont like to post elsewhere.

FYI-


Cloth diapering has nothing to do with your social or economic class. You can do it if you are poor (prefolds and cheap covers) or you can do it if your rich. There is no bias there.
I agree completely. I think it is very interesting to see names I have never seen posting on this thread. Seriously, I don't even feel like some of these comments are being directed at the OP, but at the Diapering board as a whole
post #94 of 166
To the OP: (yes, I read the whole thread but, really all I see is diatribes, judgements, and people making something about THEM that's not, anyway I digress.)

I agree. I would have done the proverbial, "errrr?" When I heard the bashing of the baby jar feeders. Although, cloth probably wouldn't have entered my mind. I probably would have thought... "hmm that's a bit harsh, maybe this place won't be for me after all."

I guess unless your NFL PURE, someone is always going to be able to say "oh, well she CDs, but did you see what she feeds her baby, *gasp*."

FWIW, I do totally understand your disappointment. I am disappointed by my local LLL too for other reasons (unrelated to NFL) that go against my personal ethics.

I lurk here A LOT, but post rarely... just so you don't think I am an illegal immigrant.

Hugs... mama. I understood what you meant.

Olivia
post #95 of 166
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Originally Posted by stacey0402
I agree completely. I think it is very interesting to see names I have never seen posting on this thread. Seriously, I don't even feel like some of these comments are being directed at the OP, but at the Diapering board as a whole
Well, ouch.

I don't post regularly here, only because we use a very "set" stash and I don't buy many cool dipes, but I *am* a cloth diapering mama.

My opinion isn't welcome in the diapering forum?
post #96 of 166
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Originally Posted by onlyboys
Well, ouch.

I don't post regularly here, only because we use a very "set" stash and I don't buy many cool dipes, but I *am* a cloth diapering mama.

My opinion isn't welcome in the diapering forum?
That is not what I said at all. There are threads here daily started by "newbies" wanting help...people wanting to know what to do to get rid of build-up, etc... and I don't see many of the people in this PARTICULAR thread posting to help out. Suddenly there's a bit of drama and I see names I've never seen before. I just find it interesting. The diapering board isn't only here to help you find out what cool diapers you should buy. I welcome opinions, particularly those that make me think in ways I never thought of before.
post #97 of 166
I am sincerly sorry. I wasn't trying to "blast" you. I was sincerly wondering if your dissapointment stemmed from the fact that no one was willing to cloth diaper or that there was no one to share you enthusiasm with with. Because I was wondering even if there had been someone there cloth diapering but not with fancy diapers that were worth gshing over or if there was someone there who considered cloth diapers just a way to cover a babies butt and nothing worth talking about would you have been still dissapointed. Probably not enough to come here and rant but would it have still been a let down. If there were only mothers using polyester dime store diapers and gerber covers would you have thought they needed to switch to wool to be crunchy enough. .

The only reason I brought up the whole diaper snob thing is because this always happens. Someone starts a thread like this and a bunch of people get defensive and then people wonder why. Well it is because this is always bubbling under the surface. there are people who actually come here to talk about more than just the latest brand or cutest diaper. they actually need the facts to get going and stay going with something practical and useable but then they feel elf conscience or inferior because htey are putting the wrong diaper on thier baby or the opccaisionally use disposables. I usually only post on thread where someone is asking for help with regular diapers or want to know a cheap way to get started.

Sorry to cause such a ruckus. never mind.
post #98 of 166
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Originally Posted by lilyka
there are people who actually come here to talk about more than just the latest brand or cutest diaper. they actually need the facts to get going and stay going with something practical and useable but then they feel elf conscience or inferior because htey are putting the wrong diaper on thier baby or the opccaisionally use disposables.
Maybe I am totally blind, but I don't see anyone telling anyone else that they are putting the wrong diaper on their baby or getting upset at someone who occasionally uses a disposable. Didn't we cover all of this when that post was started by klothos wondering why people put down others who use pfs (and we came to the conclusion that it does NOT happen).

If someone is happy with the system they have chosen, then they shouldn't feel inferior because someone posts about another brand or type of diaper.
post #99 of 166
To the OP:
I have been cloth diapering and going to LLL meetings for 17 years. It just so happened that the first baby I breastfed I also cd'ed. When I was regularly attending LLL meetings, I would guess about 75% of the babies were cd'ed. I don't know if the others were cd'ed at home or not. We all used pre-folds, but we had the cool Rubber Duckie nylon wraps and the even cooler Wild Ducks print pull-on pants (anyone else remember those???? Or am I just REALLY old? :LOL )

I don't regularly attend monthly meetings anymore, but when I do get to one, I also scan, looking for another cd'ing mama. I am always thrilled to *talk shop* with someone else. I first saw a Motherease Sandi IRL at a leader's meeting. If I see moms with pre-folds, it is a good opportunity to learn a different way of folding (there have been a few threads about this too). I do the same thing at other times. We went to the zoo, and in the bathroom, changing her newborn little boy, was a mama with some little tiny AIO's....Kooshies maybe? ( I haven't seen one IRL) We didn't talk, just smiled at each other for our diapers.

I understand your disappointment, but maybe you will find other cd'ers in the most unlikely place.
post #100 of 166
Jake is the only CD babe in the BF support group we go to . He does have some CD friends at Attachment Parenting group
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