Support: Vegetarian going back to eating meat. (long) - Page 5

[Brisen]

This is a thread started long ago to get *support* for a mama who felt she needed to eat some meat for a while. She has updated us, she's doing well. (Glad to hear it!) Maybe if we want to try to resolve the veg vs omni battle, we could resurrect a thread meant for that purpose

[OneCatholicMommy]

[QUOTE=counterGOPI] our baby will be the healthiest baby you'll ever meet b/c s/he had been vegan since conception.[QUOTE]

No offense meant, but you certainly don't know this for sure!

[UUMom]

Another turncoat. I was veg for nearly 20 yrs and macro for about 3 of those years. We still eat a very varied, mostly plant-based diet. I try to serve meat no more than twice a week, including lunches. My reasons for eating some organically grown, humanely raised flesh are varied. I don't think we *need* flesh to be healthy, but i absolutely believe humans can thrive on varied diets, and what food humans consume depends on the climate one lives in-- and general health, or lack thereof, matters very much when we make food choices. Food can heal us, and food can harm us, depending on what our needs are. All you can do is experiment a bit and see what your body needs.

I feel healthy, strong, energetic, and optimistic (despite the world as it is) eating as i presently do, which is still mostly plant -based. I started eating meat during the lactation period of one of my children. I don't have anything more to offer than lots of recipes.

[counterGOPI]

[QUOTE=OneCatholicMommy][QUOTE=counterGOPI] our baby will be the healthiest baby you'll ever meet b/c s/he had been vegan since conception.

No offense meant, but you certainly don't know this for sure!

ok well, every vegan kid ive ever known is 100 times healthier then his/her meat-eating counterpart ... and ill be very happy to prove to you the health of my baby once s/he is born!! youll see the truth that i and many others already know then
<3,
nicole

[kaydee]

Originally Posted by Brisen

Maybe if we want to try to resolve the veg vs omni battle, we could resurrect a thread meant for that purpose

Oh, dear lord...must we go down that rocky road yet again????















:LOL

[Brisen]

Originally Posted by kaydee

Oh, dear lord...must we go down that rocky road yet again????

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic... or if you caught my sarcasm... I just wanted the fighting off this thread. That's all.... I hope I'm not being a geek about this. I have a hard enough time picking up on body language/tone of voice cues IRL, I'm awful at interpreting meaning on a message board.

Mmmmmm... Rocky road ice cream..... drool

[kaydee]

Originally Posted by Brisen

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic... or if you caught my sarcasm... I just wanted the fighting off this thread. That's all.... I hope I'm not being a geek about this. I have a hard enough time picking up on body language/tone of voice cues IRL, I'm awful at interpreting meaning on a message board.

Mmmmmm... Rocky road ice cream..... drool

Aww... I was just havin' some fun! :LOL It's just a topic that comes up over...and over...and over... again. And it does seem to get nasty almost every time. :sigh

As for the rocky road ice cream, I'll have some too (vegan, of course )!

[greensmile]

Our vegan family has the "under what cicumstances would you eat meat" talk around the dinner table from time to time and it can get pretty hilarious. It must not be funny though when you feel ( right or not) that you must go back to eating meat. A few things- all food is broken down into tiny micronutrients. The problem can be anywhere along the line. Under different conditions your plant food could be enough. I get suspicious when I hear about gluten intolerance. Several of us have celiac disease. It is very common in the US, perhaps 1 in 135 or so. If you eat any gluten you stay sick- unable to absorb fat soluble nutrient (tooth decay, mental health issues, diabetes, skin problems etc.. ) You must be completely gluten free for a long time to recover as an adult, kids are quicker. We have been through this hell with one son. His teeth were rotting, he acted autistic, multiple chemical sensitivites. He now gets sick once every two years, even when everyone else is knocked out. He's totally normal and brilliant and yes he's been 100% vegan through out. We all are:Mom, dad and five very handsome, very active, very smart boys. Gluten can be in your corn chips if it's ground in a place with wheat. You must be vigilant. But our abounding health has been totally worth it, best of luck.

[MamaMonica]

Originally Posted by greensmile

. Several of us have celiac disease. It is very common in the US, perhaps 1 in 135 or so. If you eat any gluten you stay sick- unable to absorb fat soluble nutrient (tooth decay, mental health issues, diabetes, skin problems etc.. ) You must be completely gluten free for a long time to recover as an adult, kids are quicker.

I've been down this road, too. I admire you for being able to stay vegan during your recovery. We had too many food sensitivites to do it- there wasn't much left to eat when we eliminated the allergins.

[greensmile]

Luckily he didn't have problems with soy,corn etc.. He is still slightly sensetive to mold,cat,grasses but hardly ever does he notice it anymore. He did become able to eat peanut butter and red foods like apples and grapes again as he healed. A naturpath helped us at the start of his recovery.

[earthchick]

I am happy the OP has found what works for her and her family.

Still, it's bizarre that counterGOPI dug up such an old thread just to start a debate about veganism.

[counterGOPI]

Originally Posted by earthchick

I am happy the OP has found what works for her and her family.

Still, it's bizarre that counterGOPI dug up such an old thread just to start a debate about veganism.

i didn't 'dig up an old thread to debate' not at all!! i was told about this thread on another board and given the link. I did not realize it was old or anything. Then when I read this thread and saw how negative ppl were being to such a healthy and wise diet,I felt the need to give them the facts and open their eyes up. I don't debate at all,thats not me, I rather anti-confrontational BUT if someone is creating lies about something dear to me I will defend it. Thats all. Simple as that. Im sorry you see what I had to say in defense of reality in such a negative way. BUt,then again, I saw what most posted on this thread as such negativity and down right hatred,so I guess its how you view things and where you stand

p.s. Please go back and read all my posts b/c by your somment its obvious you didn't. i state MANY times in my posts Im not here to debate or anything just to clear up misconceptions.

[earthchick]

Yes, I actually did read all your comments. Stating over and and over that you're not here to debate doesn't make much difference if what you say and how you say it provokes people into debate. A thread was dormant for eight months. Someone new to this forum suddenly bumps it up, proclaiming she is hear to "show people the TRUTH!!!" I'm sorry, I just don't see how that is anything but stirring up a debate, no matter how many smilies you include.

When you write about opening people's eyes and showing them the truth - that's called condescension. Most people don't respond well to it, especially in a forum like this where people are so thoughtful and well-researched.

[counterGOPI]

Originally Posted by earthchick

Yes, I actually did read all your comments. Stating over and and over that you're not here to debate doesn't make much difference if what you say and how you say it provokes people into debate. A thread was dormant for eight months. Someone new to this forum suddenly bumps it up, proclaiming she is hear to "show people the TRUTH!!!" I'm sorry, I just don't see how that is anything but stirring up a debate, no matter how many smilies you include.

When you write about opening people's eyes and showing them the truth - that's called condescension. Most people don't respond well to it, especially in a forum like this where people are so thoughtful and well-researched.

like i said above,but again you did not read, i was told about this thread on another board and it sent me the link, i did not see a date then, only after i responded did i see that it was so old. i did not mean to 'stir up' anything. and YES I WAS ONLY HERE TO OPEN UP OBVIOUSLY VERY SHUT EYES!! sorry if you see that as condenscending...As I've been saying, I don't want to argue,start another thread if you want to bring these kinds of issues up. This thread was for a particular person,not for right vs. wrong,and here YOU are tryig to start a debate.geesh..pot calling the kettle black!!!

[earthchick]

Again I did read. It doesn't matter how you found the thread, it was a dormant thread and your first post to it was condescending and argumentative.

I'm not starting another thread because I'm not trying to bring any issues up. I read this thread b/c the material interested me (as a former vegetarian, briefly a vegan, then fully into the NT way of eating, now now considering veganism again). I'm sure I should have just kept lurking as I usually do, but I couldn't help but comment. I have found the perspectives of people like toraji and Gale Force (both of whom used to be vegan and stopped for health reasons, even though they were doing everything right) very helpful as I have considered a foray into veganism. I have learned from them, as well as from the OP, that there is no one-size-fits-all diet and that some people end up with nutritional deficiencies on what seems to be a very healthy diet. That does not mean that veganism isn't good for some people, yourself included, and possibly me. Their testimonies have been valuable to me as I have been making my own decision about my diet. Your posts - with your zeal to save everyone from nutritional ignorance, your writing in all caps with exclamation points, and your use of language like "opening obviously shut eyes" - have been a turn-off and have not helped the vegan cause in my eyes.

I'm sure you will post again, saying I haven't read, claiming you're not trying to argue, and making another pronouncement about your mission to educate the rest of us. Post away. I am going back to lurking.

[cathe]

I am closing this thread. If anyone wants to debate veganism, please start a new thread or take it to pm.

Thanks.