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post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 
Well, having found what I thought was a preschool that would work for dd (almost 4) - just for two short mornings a week, we've just written to tell them that we're not coming and will be homeschooling this year. It's frustrating because I thought this place was the answer to our prayers, but when I approached them directly about their settling into school policy, I got a letter in reply that made me Like - I am not allowed to stay even for one hour the first day. That it is a 'necessary part of school preparation' for her to cry for 'as long as she needs'.

So, now I'm left thinking of how I will organise a new routine for this September. It's a whole new ball-game now, as I thought we had Tues and Thurs sewn up with preschool then some downtime at home. Leaving one day for our AP playgroup or library storytime, and two days to fill with other activities or playdates.

Now looking at my empty diary is daunting and somewhat depressing!

I have a toddler also (just turned two) and will have a new baby in November. I just dont know how to fill the week to give both girls (and me) some regular socialisation. I liked knowing that certain days were booked out for certain things, then filling in the rest of the time with odds and ends, days out, and activities at home. I can't stand not having some sort of routine.

I am not at all worried about filling time when we are at home, or the 'education' side of things. I worked in elementary education for years, and we fill our time at home easily. But I dont want to stay home all the time, and when we are not occupied and seeing other poeple, the girls tend to start arguing. (They are great friends if they are busy or have been out the house for something and seen other people, though)

Individual activities for my older dd will be too difficult for us, because dd will not separate from me (she is high needs, high anxiety, with characteristics on the autism spectrum, socially great one to one but very anxious in groups, but also very bright academically.) I can't see how I can attend for example, dance classes with her to settle her (may take six months to get her to that stage) with a toddler then a baby in tow. And I can't find any evening classes where dh could help out. I guess I could find some Saturday classes for things, but that defeats the object of trying to keep us busy enough Mon-Fri - we always have tons to do when dh is around at weekends!

Almost everyone we know has their child either in preschool or daycare, so daytime playdates are becoming increasingly difficult to arrange.

I can afford some expense of classes for the two dds together, but not ridiculous amounts, eg Music Together they like if we all go together, but for two kids it is sooo expensive for a one hour a week activity. And most things won't take the two kids together. Or insist that by four my older dd should be 'independent' of me and able to participate alone, which is impossible.

So, how do you experienced homeschoolers fill your days? Are there gruops out there for preschool aged 'homeschoolers'? Or where younger children are welcomed? How do I find out?

This is the part that's worrying me. Last year was easy, as we had so many other friends also with 3year olds at home. But now, there are very few, and so playdates will be far less regular. This year seems so different, with the kids older now.

Ideas and words of encouragement would be very very welcome!!
post #2 of 14
Check out the Y. They have such great programs for preschoolers that are free with membership, and you can stay with your kids if you need to.
Also, the library story hours are great. And if ou have a childrens museum, they have cool programs sometimes. Call your local park ad rec and ask for a schedule of classes. And, search out a homeschool group and ask if they have anything for younger kids. Sometimes they do, or you will be encouraged to start something ifhey dont
post #3 of 14
I was in your situation two years ago. It was frustrating and depressing that my well researched pre-school choice turned out to not be what they advertise at all. The director basically lied to me, as it turned out. I looked at my empty calendar and called my homeschooling friend who said, "come to our meeting. Many families have kids the same age as yours." She was right - it turned out to be just what I needed!
post #4 of 14
Hello Britishmum ~

Have you given any thought to socializing with a range of people of all ages?

Would you consider adopting a lonesome grandmother? You could set regular playdates at the park.

Do you have any services/goods to barter?

Could you look for a local artist who would be willing to spend an hour/week showing your dds how she paints (or how to paint) in exchange for something?

Do you have a university or music school in town? Could you find a student who would be willing to do private movement/music classes for both your dds for a minimal fee or in exchange for typing services, etc.?

Do you have a children's theater? Could you find out their schedule and regularly attend shows? Or get yourself in to watch dress rehearsals, since the little one is probably not so good yet at this.

Anybody in town who does some kind of craft? Could you set up a tour/interview/watching session?

Retirement home? Lots of those love to have kids come visit.

Any farms just out of town? Could you tell the couple there that you could run errands in town in exchange for a couple of days/week on the farm? My dd loves farm life.

A lot of this takes some initiative on your part, a willingness to be bold (don't know if you're shy).

My dd loves to go to this new indoor playground thingy they have here in a "shopping center," like the ones at McDonald's there. How about buying the girls an orange juice and playing there? Seems like there could always be kids there - kids there after a doctor's appointment during school hours or something like that.

Anyway have fun!
post #5 of 14
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the suggestions! I've done lots of research today, and did find a parent/child sports class that I've signed up for. But unfortunately, you had to have two adults for the two children, so we've had to sign up for Saturdays so that dh can come. So it hasnt helped with my weekday diary, but at least it's something.....

One of our problems here is that it is a high tech area, so most people are either working parents or single men. Fewer younger families, and even fewer SAHMs. And absolutely no sense of community. Everyone is here to work 24/7, or is likely to move on out if they have children. It seems that every time we make a friend, they move. I honestly could start getting a complex about it.

ParisMaman, you gave me an idea to start looking again for a German student. Dh is German and we used to do a weekly play session at home with a German lady, which dd loved. But she went back to work and we didnt find anyone else. I shall see if I can get back into that again. The girls have forgotten so much of their German because we havent consciously made an effort.

I was frustrated today when I called a gym that advertise a parent/child class for 2-5s, so I'd have been able to take both dds. I asked if I could bring the two of them, and the woman said no, I had to have a second adult. She said, "you'll need to hire someone to come with you, that's what the mums with two kids do." Umm, like, I need to spend all this money on classes, (they weren't cheap) then a minimum of $12 an hour to a babysitter to come with me. But to most people in this area, it's as simple as that. We're not really poor, but we're not in the league where I can pay babysitters to come with me to expensive classes. Sigh....

Parismaman, that made me smile, the comment about being shy. I"m not really shy - or at least, I can make myself do things if I need to. But I don't communicate well with most Americans. They just don't 'get me'. Some take an intense dislike to me within minutes of meeting me, which is so strange, as back home I tend to get on with almost anybody. I've found that some people here just have prejudices about Brits that colour their view of me the moment they hear my accent, and others think I"m snooty. Actually, that happens online too (I was called "Your majesty" a couple of times recently on a thread here on mdc, because a number of people thought I was being snotty, when honestly, I was being as polite and thoughtful as I could possibly manage to be. ) There is definitely a culture barrier. Divided by a common language and all that. It makes it hard for me to approach people about things, like those wonderful suggestions you made. First, they often don't understand a word I say, especially on the telephone. And second, they just think I'm weird. After five years, I still feel that I"m in a foreign country and often feel out of my depth. Which is really odd, as at home I am very confident and comfortable dealing with most people and most situations.

Which makes this blank diary seem even more daunting. I need to speak to a lot of Americans in order to sort it out!
post #6 of 14
Where are you located? There's a music class that I go to that costs $6 per family not per child. There might be some in your area. I won't post the website here because I am affiliated. This is NOT a sales pitch. If you'd like the website PM me.
post #7 of 14
Britishmum --

No great suggestions here (everyone else has that covered anyway), but I wanted to tell you how sorry I am that the preschool isn't going to work. I know you had high hopes for your daughter there. I was just thinking of you the other day because we are getting ready to start school next week.

Good luck to you -- I consider you an online friend, and if you were closer to me (I'm in Colorado), I'd be happy to claim you as a real-life friend, too!

Tara
post #8 of 14
Is there a homeschooling group in your area? You could google your city + homeschooling and see if any groups pop up. I belong to a group that has a regular play group and organizes field trips or special lessons and classes.
post #9 of 14
We do Early Childhood classes through our local school district. There are also community ed programs for preschoolers, and a free open gym a couple of times per week.

I've also found a 'early childhood' homeschooling group. Check yahoo groups and see if there's one in your area. I think I found it by searching for homeschooling & my state.

How about swimming lessons? Gymnastics? Don't know if this is an option for you, but my kids get lots of socialization at church. Our church has (very low-key) Sunday school and Wednesday night programs for kids starting at age 2.5.
post #10 of 14
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all the replies!

Tara, we were close to being relocated to Colerado a couple of years ago, before dh moved jobs. It would have been good to have a RL friend who understood our issues with our kids!!

Annethcz, unfortunately the preschool was at our church, so we are now left re-evaluating what to do about church as well as our weekly activities. I don't feel very comfortable there now after this, so we'll be searching for a new church. Which is all another pressure, as dd has some very intense issues and special needs, and change is very difficult for her.

I've found a swimming centre that may work for us, but it is so many $$s that I"m not sure it will be feasible. I worked out that for the cost of four months of weekly swim lessons for two kids, we could join the YMCA for eleven months. But I need to work out if I can manage the YMCA swimming pool with the two girls, and being pregnant, due in 3 months, makes it all the more challenging.

My mission tonight is to sit on google until I find some more leads for classes or homeschool groups.

Keep the suggestions coming though! This is great!
post #11 of 14
No one has said it yet, and I'm probably too sleep-deprived to make a decent case for it, but I've got to say it anyway.

I don't think 4-year-olds need daily socializing outside the home. I think 4-year-olds need daily socialization, which is the teaching of cultural norms and social mores and values, but that this is best done mostly within the context of family. (After all, if you can get along with the people you love, you can get along with anybody!) Now admittedly I don't have a child diagnosed with an autism spectrum disorder, though my eldest shares many traits with yours. But I still feel strongly that being with caring adults and other family members is plenty enough socializing for most kids under 7 or 8 most of the time. Sure, a few social escapades a week outside the home can be fun, they can relieve mom's cabin fever, they can encompass experiences and opportunities for learning that the child wouldn't otherwise have.

But I don't think that such social exposure, in and of itself, is necessary.

My aforementioned eldest, who wouldn't separate from me at all until age 5, and then only for an hour or so after a long preparation period, who had 1-2 socializing opportunities a week outside the family until the age of 6 or 7, who said her first word to a group in public at age 7... she is now 10 and has just returned from an all-day party with friends and acquaintances and people she'd never met before in a town an hour away. She had a blast. She played easily with various children and adults, made new friends, was helpful and empathetic, spoke up for herself, co-operated with others and was apparently "just a delight to have".

IMO there is absolutely nothing wrong with having three empty days a week on a 4yo's social calendar.

Miranda
post #12 of 14
Mooninmama -

I agree with you. And you made your case quite efficiently. However, Britishmum did make the case that the children seem to get along better, be happier, when they have been outside the home enjoying life with others. Plus, Britishmum seems to feel better herself when that happens.

I, for one, have absolutely no problem staying at home every day. But that was a major adjustment from our big-city life. It was a switch, in the middle of my dd's toddler years, that really took a toll on us for a while.
post #13 of 14
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Originally Posted by ParisMaman
However, Britishmum did make the case that the children seem to get along better, be happier, when they have been outside the home enjoying life with others.
You're right, and I guess that part of her post had sort of faded from my mind as I got started on my tangent. But in the clearer light of day, I wonder if this difficulty in getting along with one's loved ones when there's no distraction from outside activities belies the need for guided "socialization". Perhaps, if there is no ready outside social outlet, this presents an opportunity to deal with the girls' social difficulties with each other. Oddly enough when a 4yo screams and throws something at a playmate at the park, we recognize the need for work on and experience with social skills, but when she screams and throws something at her younger sister at home, we tend to talk about the kids "not getting along" and the "lack of family harmony." We don't identify sibling issues as social skills issues that need work in the same way as playgroup issues.

I'm just speaking generally here. I've heard stuff like "he still has trouble taking turns; he needs more chance to play with other kids." But I've never heard "he still fights with his younger brother; they need more chance to play together."

I really enjoy family harmony, and I know that I have the same tendency to attempt to maximize it by looking outside the family for distraction. So I'm probably as guilty of this as anyone. And maybe guilt isn't the right word... there is value in 'getting out and about', and a balance to be struck. But my fairly isolated rural family existence has not always made it possible to get out and about, especially in winter, and I do see the value in having had to learn to get along, because there was simply no other option.

Miranda
post #14 of 14
Thread Starter 
I think you must be psychic or something. Dh and I were just talking about the idea that socialization was necessary for this age gruop, and whether it is just a waste of time following everyone's advice and trying to build in activities to increase dd's confidence and readiness to separate. We were wondering if in a year or two years time, we'll look back and wonder why we were bothered - by then, she may be developmentally at such a different place that its a non-issue.

My instinct is that there is no need to actively try to foster this 'independence' and socialization 'thing' that everyone gets hung up about.

However, for my own sanity we need to get out the house regularly. I was maybe not clear enough in my OP. My girls generally get along really well. Most of the time, they play together well, co-operate, take turns, share etc. But if we are in the house for more than one or two days in succession, the squabbing and irritation begins. And it also comes from me - I miss talking to other adults! There is a definite pattern, they can take one day at home, and sometimes a second, but by the third, everyone is getting ratty.

Dd#1 is very, very intense. She is highly intelligent and demands answers and attention constantly. If I sit down at my computer just to answer an email, she is there immediately, wanting to dicate a story to me to make into a book and illustrate. Which is wonderful, but when we get to the third or fourth five page story of the morning, I am reaching the end of my limit. I want to discuss something other than the solar system or why exactly the dinosaurs died out. I get fed up with being lectured about space missions to Saturn..... And I am fed up by then with being licked by dd#2 around the ankles, as she is busy playing puppies and wants me to pet her constantly.

Maybe my title for the thread was misleading. Dd doesnt need socialization as much as outside stimulation. She needs more material for the epic stories she writes, after all! And so do I, as the dinosaur stories get a bit old after ten tellings..... There are a couple of friends that she actually does socialise with when we meet up, but with others gruops, they simply do their own thing. But if an activity is somewhere interesting with interesting stuff to do and to talk about later, I'm not bothered. I guess the socialization bit is more for me, the stimulation for them. Does that make sense?
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