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post #21 of 28
My problem is that the pledge is just ONE of many "patriotic" rituals that are taught, and I am not sure if that is the "default setting" I want my children to have. I really dislike the "Love it or leave it" mentality that is frequently associated with "patriotism".

I have come to feel that there is little to no room for dissent or disatisfaction in this country. Ironically, dissent and disatisfaction is what this country was founded on.
post #22 of 28
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You are teaching your child that it's okay to be disrespectful of our country at a very young age.
Not true. I never said the pledge my entire life, even when certain teachers tried to berate me in front of everyone. I stood out of respect for others but I never held my hand to my heart and I never recited it. How does that make me disrespectful then or now?
post #23 of 28
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I taught my 2.5 yr old and 4 yr old the pledge and the Star Spangled Banner myself. I just think they are worth knowing, as part of U.S. history if nothing else. I didn't teach them to it in order for them to show reverence, it was more in the spirit of teaching any sort of poem or song. We can discuss exactly what it means later on when they can understand. We've already discussed quite a bit of the Star Spangled Banner since they are so interested in it.
post #24 of 28
Shyly, I pm'd you about the tone of your post. Let me know your thoughts. Thanks.

Lauren
post #25 of 28
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:LOL

"Shyly," I second the suggestion to change your username.

Other than that, I have little to reply, other than to note, once again, that dd is three years old and has a limited conception at best of what countries are, let alone the notion of pledging allegiance to one. Additionally, the notion that one "learns to love one's country" by having learned the pledge is sorta like claiming that one learns to love God by learning the Apostle's Creed or something, and deserves, IMO, no respect.

I still have not discussed the issue with dd's teacher, as there have been bigger fish to fry. Having observed the class today and based on other observations, though, it doesn't appear that the pledge or other such things (like the pledge to the Texas flag ) play any but the most nominal role in the workings of the class.

Oh, and mamaduck, that indeed is one insightful child you have!
post #26 of 28

well

if they'd make my daughter say it every morning I would be outraged and simply forbid it.And let the teacher know,too

Nothing wrong with discussing it in history classes etc...but not actually making her say it,simple
post #27 of 28
I don't pledge allegience to our government. I don't condone many of the activities of our current government, and there is no way I am saying a pledge to them; and a public pledge at that!

I dunno, maybe my idea of this is skewed; I have a degree in German language and lit, studied more than my fair share of German history, and had several relatives who fought and died for Germany during wwII, including some lower-level Nazi officers. So I have a hard time not seeing all these little kids in brown, heil hitlering. Not much different in my view.

Plus we aren't Christian, so I don't want my kids saying a pledge to a god we don't believe in. We've discussed it; the meaning behind the words. Both my kids choose to stand respectfully during the pledge, hands behind their backs, heads bowed. It's their choice; I'd support their choice to say it, if that is what they wanted. But they are the minority in their school. The *entire* school assembles in the gym in the morning, and everyone says the pledge together.

I pay my taxes, volunteer in the schools and in our community, teach classes, and participate in local political activities. Sorry if that makes me a bad American. But I hope my kids follow my example.
post #28 of 28
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Originally Posted by lorijds
I don't pledge allegience to our government. I don't condone many of the activities of our current government, and there is no way I am saying a pledge to them; and a public pledge at that!

I pay my taxes, volunteer in the schools and in our community, teach classes, and participate in local political activities. Sorry if that makes me a bad American. But I hope my kids follow my example.
It doesn't make you a bad American IMO. It makes you an honest American. You seem very active in your community which I think is more of an indication of participation in being an American than saying some pledge because everyone else is doing it.
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