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Business is down for so many wahms.. what gives?..

post #1 of 85
Thread Starter 
Have you looked around lately to see how many wahms have instock? Wahms who normally don't have instock have lots and lots of inventory just sitting there. I just read a post at the harleez yahoo group about how the own is just coming to the realization that there is no way she can help keep her family fed and the bills paid on the tiny bit of income her business can bring in even though not too long ago, she was samped and couldn't keep up. And the sad and scarey part is.. I JUST had this same conversation with a handful of other wahms I'm friendly with. It seems like the days of not being able to keep up are over and now, business is at an absolute crawl for SOOOmany. I'm sure some are swamped still, but it's a select few. Maybe it's just the time of year? Maybe it's that we are sort of awaiting a new wave of itty bitty bums to be born near the spring (seems like most of you lucky gals are due sometime in January or February *L*)? Or are there just too many wahms for the demand? Are we too cliquish and tend not to be inviting enough to mamas curious about cloth? Have disposable makes reved up their marketing to make them seem so natural and appealing that new mothers don't even consider cloth anymore? Maybe my circle of wahm friends is just very small and I dont' really see the big picture and this really isn't a problem. The ones I do know don't have the funds to advertise enough to pull in random online business and rely on word of mouth on message boards like this one for their advertising.. so perhaps they are their own downfall in not figuringout how to afford the necessary advertising. The really strange part is, I (who usually NEVER spends money) have spent more money in the past two months than I have since my baby was born 2.5 years ago. I'm just sort of at a loss about what seems to be going on. Anyone care to speculate on why business seems to be so slow? Or, feel free to tell me it's all just in my head .


It's sort of scarey though. Out of the handful of wahms I know personally, i would say half are on the verge of giving up becuse they just can't stay afloat, nontheless pay any bills... makes me wonder how many more are in that boat.


All in all, we all know business has it's ups and downs, but this seems to have been a particularly long lull and you don't need to be a wahm to have seen it.

Anyway.. just musings. Get off that wagon darn it!
Course.. all this instock sure does give me hours of enjoyable window shopping. I just can't be pleased.. I use to complain that nobody had instock .. no I complain there is too much *LOL*.. shame on me!

Amber
post #2 of 85
hmm ive thought the opposite lately, LOL. I was just mentioning to somehow how there are MORE highly desired diapering items/stores/WAHMS then there have been in the past and things dont seem to stay instock long. I know I cant seem to find diapers I want to buy instock or even open to customs ... but I will admit that I am pickier than most probably :LOL
post #3 of 85
Tell us which wahm's you are speaking of and give links! I'll go take a look
post #4 of 85
Two words:
Economic Recession

Nobody has money! It's not just WAHM's - it's just about all businesses. Sales are down everywhere. Even Wal-mart! So many people have been buying stuff on easy credit for so long.....and now all of a sudden they have to pay off this stuff, but so does everybody else. So nobody's buying new stuff, which in turn drives sales down elsewhere, which means less money to pay bills......

Anyway, it's not just a diapers thing. It's happening everywhere. I don't think there's a darn thing diaper-makers can do to boost sales at this point. We can only keep stuff available, so when people DO have a bit of mad money, they'll have something to splurge on.
post #5 of 85
i can't say i've noticed. i've been window shopping a lot myself lately and haven't seen much instock.
post #6 of 85
I also agree with Stella about the economy being hit really hard .... before sewing diapers I sewed clothing... and was able to make a good amount of money on it.. but things went downhill quickly and I know lots of mamas who now can not live off of their WAHM clothing businesses when they used to be so busy that custom orders were out of the questions.
post #7 of 85
Well it seems like there are "new" wahms popping up all the time- but I think there are a lot of factors that may be contributing:
A. market saturation of so many wahms
B. providing a product that is re-usable and not disposed of, no need to keep buying more and more
C. hyena madness- if it's hard to get it must be the best and we need it! If it's available instock than mamas hesitate to buy. Just look at the aftermath of stockings- sometimes mamas who have bought a product in the mad rush change their mind and it's not so easy for them to sell it to someone else!

In my experience, the TP has been really slow lately. There are some really cheap great diapers listed and people just aren't buying them. Maybe that has more to do with time of year?

Personally, I am not in need of new diapers, but I am always awaiting the opening of custom slots from a few wahms, and am more tempted to save my $ for those.
post #8 of 85
Quote:
Originally Posted by mehndi mama
Two words:
Economic Recession

Nobody has money! It's not just WAHM's - it's just about all businesses. Sales are down everywhere. Even Wal-mart! So many people have been buying stuff on easy credit for so long.....and now all of a sudden they have to pay off this stuff, but so does everybody else. So nobody's buying new stuff, which in turn drives sales down elsewhere, which means less money to pay bills......

Anyway, it's not just a diapers thing. It's happening everywhere. I don't think there's a darn thing diaper-makers can do to boost sales at this point. We can only keep stuff available, so when people DO have a bit of mad money, they'll have something to splurge on.
I have to agree 100% with this post, my thoughts exactly. Everyone I know has been getting loans to pay off credit card debt and trying to stay afloat at the same time. The mall has way less people in them then it use to also. The slow down is every where.
post #9 of 85
Yes, but not all wahms are having probs- like fluffymail, elbee, kiwipie...I do think supply/demand drives some of this. But maybe hyena madness skews the supply demand curve severely toward the demand side.
post #10 of 85
Thread Starter 
very interesting!

Well, in the interested of not breaking MDC rules about spam.. I really cannot spam those I'm friends with on a personal basis.. and since I just admitted that *L*.. it wouldn't be right for me to list their sites and such. For me, it seems bigger than just the handful of wahms.

Now, I don't know if any of these are hurting in any way or not, but they do have a lot of instock or stock seems to be selling much slower than it did before.. just some examples *I* use in my assessment of how business is for wahms.. this did NOT come from them..

sos, tykies, cotton pickin creations (she has nearly everything on sale), patchworkpixie, .. and a really suprising one.. righteous baby

I don't know if these are extreme or not, but that's just some off the top of my head that have instock that doesn't seem to be moving. Maybe they are taking custom orders, I don't really know... all I know is that a few months ago when I was looking, NOBODY had instock and when they did, it FLEW out of the stores.'

*LOL*.. now that I think about it.. that was right around tax returns.. maybe that was just when business was good .. not that it's bad now.. it was just really good then??

Amber
post #11 of 85
I totally agree. These are hard times we live in now. I am a WAHM, but NOT a sewing momma! I am *very blessed* to have an actual WAHJ that sends me a check bi-weekly But hours are being cut left and right on my job too. We have a 10 hour a week minmium to work, and my boss told me today that since hours where cut she would "hold me to it"!!!! HELLO!!!! I need those hours!
post #12 of 85
Post links! I have given up on getting many different WAHM dipes because they just weren't available. There are dipes that I SO HAD TO HAVE but I don't even look at the stores that they come from anymore because I didn't think that I would ever be able to get them!

post #13 of 85
hey, why can't I get the harleez site to load now? I can access the yahoo group but www.wahmarama.com won't load??
post #14 of 85
I think it is a combination of economic recession and hyena's skewing the market. I will freely admit that there are certain diapers I am willing to spend on... and some that I have tried and liked just "ok". I have made a real effort to try out new WAHMs and to keep my reviews of their diapers as honest as I can, while including the fact that my dd is so difficult to fit.
As for money... ugh.. don't ask! I sell to buy...but even I have slowed down and look for trades and super good deals before I loosen the fist gripping my paypal. Even so, I have a list of WAHMs I want to support regularly and new ones that I want to try out.
Its a tough old world out there these days!
post #15 of 85

I'm a total newbie, but --

I'm a total newbie, but, on the other hand, that may be the type of customer that WAHMs are trying to attract, since we have to buy everything. Plus, I want everything new because of Rosie's medical history.

I have spent nearly five hundred bucks with WAHMs in less than two months. I plan to stock and then cut way, way back.

I do agree that the recession and the availability of used diapers has something to do with this.

But, because I have approached this just as a customer, I do have some insight. I think that WAHMs could do some better marketing in terms of offering sales, deals, loyalty programs, etc. Or a program where people who drum up business for the wahm get a discount on their next orders.

I also think that the sites can be improved by removing "take it or leave it" language on their policies that must be left over from the days of wine and roses. I saw at least one WAHM (sorry, I forget which one) site that basically said, in no uncertain terms, "if you don't like our lost packages policy, go somewhere else." It didn't soften the blow. I was planning a big purchase there, but it just didn't sit right with me, kwim? So I took the advice and went somewhere else. I would have written it as "we would love to have your business, and we want to protect your purchase, so we buy insurance for all of your diapers at our own expense" or "we require you to buy insurance for your purchases, for your own protection." You get the idea. Yes, the WAHM was probably exasperated for a good reason, but it just didn't work in this highly competitive environment.

When a WAHM gives outstanding customer service, it is remembered and appreciated.

One more thought: I notice that there seems to be an agreement not to bid against each other when something is for sale on ebay. Why not? Doesn't that hurt the WAHM who is selling the item? Shouldn't the stuff go to the highest bidder?

Some folks, like Maria with kiwi pie, could raise their prices substantially and still have people frothing at the mouth to buy her products. But most WAHMs are going to need to lower their prices, offer free shipping, etc. It is OK to compete with each other in an ethical way.

Some WAHM businesses offer all the same product, for the same price. The only thing that distinguishes one from the other is customer service and shipping policies.
post #16 of 85
ITA with every reason already said.
post #17 of 85
Post links! I have CD money to spend!
post #18 of 85
Ok let me help......
WAHMS with instock
www.babybloomrs.com
www.darlingdiapers.com
www.angelwraps.com
www.tykiediapers.com
www.simplygooddiapers.com (the BEST honeyboys EVER)
www.cloud9softies.com
there are many more I know but those are some to get you started
post #19 of 85
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Originally Posted by kindmomma
Ok let me help......
WAHMS with instock
www.babybloomrs.com
www.darlingdiapers.com
www.angelwraps.com
www.tykiediapers.com
www.simplygooddiapers.com (the BEST honeyboys EVER)
www.cloud9softies.com
there are many more I know but those are some to get you started
yeah, when I first started coming here, angel wraps NEVER had instock and it sold like candy, and so did cloud 9, probably just the slump.
post #20 of 85
Quote:
Originally Posted by kindmomma
Ok let me help......
WAHMS with instock
www.babybloomrs.com
www.darlingdiapers.com
www.angelwraps.com
www.tykiediapers.com
www.simplygooddiapers.com (the BEST honeyboys EVER)
www.cloud9softies.com
there are many more I know but those are some to get you started
WOOHOO! I just recently decided that a stash cannot be created of FB's alone, so I'm trying to branch out into more hyena realms. :LOL

Thanks!
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