Please let the assault weapons ban sunset. - Page 7

[nuttinhny]

Originally Posted by IslandMamma

You are missing my point. Entirely.

As Voltaire said, "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. "

It's in the tone of things. Don't get those humorous panties in a tight spot over the First Amendment, now.

Your point is, it doesn't meet the peace and love in your eyes that this board is meant for. Well like we will continue to say, guns are NOT all about violence.. Even though it doesn't meet in your opinion what this board is about, it is still our right to voice our concerns on it. And we did debate it in the appropriate forum.

I also felt our tone remained calm, other then a poor tasting joke. Don't judge us all for the actions of one.

[cat_astrophe]

Originally Posted by IslandMamma

You know, I said I was done with this thread, and I meant it, but I just wanted to personally echo this sentiment. It's the guns on MDC factor that I am just having a hard time stomaching. Cat, the dancing bananas were a little...much. To say the least.

I also think that many of these last posts have done nothing more than once again polarize us into two camps. Enough, already. There's no need to come in after the fact and gloat / cheerlead / smack on the butt / whatever.

It's guns, people, not your kid sleeping through the night.

Ugh.

Well, the dancing bananas were a direct response to the eyerolling/condescending attitude of one poster. It was inferred that those of us who support the second ammendment are misogynists, and that just isn't true.

Sure, it is a different type of celebration than when my baby sleeps through the night, but I am celebrating none the less. I'm not plastering it all over the board. I have not been condescending or rude to those who have expressed opinions different than mine here. I have spoken passionately because this is an issue that I am passionate about.

You may find that there are a lot more things that we agree on than you might guess. I am not some evil gun-toting/end of the world lunatic. I am absolutely OBSESSIVE about gun safety. We bought my 4 year old his first "gun" recently (it is a toy gun, and it doesn't fire anything) and he had it taken away from him for pointing it at his baby brother by accident repeatedly. I am working on making gun safety so ingrained in his mind that it will be second nature.

Oh, my panties are fine, I just spent the entire day in the dark with my grandmother-in-law... If I can handle that without resorting to violence, I think you should feel comfortable with my gun ownership.

[IslandMamma]

Originally Posted by cat_astrophe

You may find that there are a lot more things that we agree on than you might guess. I am not some evil gun-toting/end of the world lunatic.

Oh, my panties are fine, I just spent the entire day in the dark with my grandmother-in-law... If I can handle that without resorting to violence, I think you should feel comfortable with my gun ownership.

Cat, I Know we agree on much. You're someone I've had the chance to "know", read, and learn from in the time I've been MDC'ing, and I have great respect for you, even if we don't always agree.

And about that second bit... I am LMAO. I'll send you my Grand-FIL and see if you can pass that test, too...and then nominate you for sainthood.

[turquoise]

Originally Posted by isleta

I never thought I would see a dancing banana for assault weapons on MDC. Wow. Oh, this is the same thread with the derogatory jokes about women

Cat, that would be directed at me, in a round about sort of way, since I'm the first one who's got a banana dancing.

Sorry guys. There I go again - blowing the decorum of the thread. Sorry, it's always exciting to find another person who shares your beliefs in a place where there are few. Whether it is :vax2:, someone who EBFs in a town where nursing past 3m is cosidered gross, or NFL mommas who also support 2A rights. It is especially exciting to find it in a thread where people have assaulted your parenting, accused you of being a misogynists, and sneered blessings on your children all because of your differing opinion.

There's another hot-button subject around here - the vax debate. But I hope y'all know from reading my posts that I have never questioned a person's NFL because they come here yet they choose to vax. Wish people could see fit to extend the same courtesy to us even though we choose to support and practice our 2A rights.

Seems like the site is on a bit of a witch hunt lately with all the "you don't do X, so you just don't fit in" or "you do Y, so you can't possibly belong here, we don't want those opinions expressed". Not very welcoming. I guess I just realize that people come here for the information they come here for. And I hope they get the info they need, regardless of the other views they may hold.

Just seemed like people who were talking about the ban didn't know what it really covered when they say "when the ban ends people will be able to shoot from the hip 'spraying' bullets, we don't need 30 round magazines on the street - glad they were gone what will we do now that they are back? Flash suppressors make it hard to see a gun at night, folding stocks aren't necessary unless you're going to kill civilians. Protect the police from the bayonettes. etc."

With the reception we've recieved, it's very exciting to find a person who doesn't toss us in a basket with a bunch of criminals because we own guns let alone agrees with the 2A.

[asherah]

Guns are not just about violence?


What are they about then?
Growing flowers?


How is a thing designed solely for the purpose of killing not just about violence?
Violence in self-defense is still violence.

I can respect a lot of the other arguments here, even though I disagree with them. But this statement seems intellectually dishonest.
They ARE about violence. You may think some violence is justified, but it is violence all the same.

[nuttinhny]

Originally Posted by asherah

Guns are not just about violence?


What are they about then?
Growing flowers?


How is a thing designed solely for the purpose of killing not just about violence?
Violence in self-defense is still violence.

I can respect a lot of the other arguments here, even though I disagree with them. But this statement seems intellectually dishonest.
They ARE about violence. You may think some violence is justified, but it is violence all the same.

My firearms have never been used in a violent way while in my possesion, nor will they ever be. I use my guns to shoot skeet, shoot targets, for competition shooting, which by the way is skeet and targets. Competition shooting is a very recognized sport.
Can you explain to me how shooting targets, skeet etc, in a competition is violent?

[TiredX2]

How is a thing designed solely for the purpose of killing not just about violence?
Violence in self-defense is still violence.

I can respect a lot of the other arguments here, even though I disagree with them. But this statement seems intellectually dishonest.
They ARE about violence. You may think some violence is justified, but it is violence all the same.

I can't see how you can't see that not all gun owners even plan on using them for self defense.

My best friend from high school competed in shooting events--- she doesn't carry a gun for self-defense. Several of DH's friends keep guns at a club (locked up of course) and only use them when they want to do some target practice.

I was interested in archery when younger, and while bows are arrows are obviously designed to hunt with (esp some of the ones my friend's father had) I had no plans of going hunting with them.

Basically ditto to what nuttinhny said.

I was honestly surprised to be on the "other" side from the people I usually agree 100% with. But, as I have stated over and over, even if I never want to access a certain right, I do not want to infringe upon other's ability to do so.

[cat_astrophe]

Originally Posted by IslandMamma

And about that second bit... I am LMAO. I'll send you my Grand-FIL and see if you can pass that test, too...and then nominate you for sainthood.

NOOOOOOO!!! I've been through enough allready! Actually, I really like spending time with older folks, even if they drive me crazy sometimes. There's a lot to be learned from the older generations. When the kids get a little older, I'd like to volunteer in a nursing home. My grandmothing-in-law is a slightly different story, though, because I spent most of the time convincing her NOT to pay for my kids to go to a certain private school, and then explaining how homeschooling works. I love the woman, but she sure is hard-headed.

Asherah, guns are about more than violence. Yes, I do believe that self-defense is justified violence, but the majority of the guns we own aren't intended for that purpose. My husband has hunting rifles, and I collect relics because I am a military history buff, and we both enjoy shooting certain guns at the range. Hopefully, none of our guns will ever be used against a human being, but if it were to come to that, I would shoot an intruder before I would allow him to harm my children.

Some might say that it is pessimistic to prepare for a worst-case scenario, but I consider it realistic. Honestly, with my build and body type, it is a simple fact that I will never be physically strong enough to overtake the average man. A gun in my hand is an equalizer. There are predators in this world who would see me and my children and assume that we are easy prey, but I refuse to be weak and unsuspecting. I am an empowered woman and a strong mother, who's focus in life is giving her children the absolute best and keeping them safe. My concerns for rehabilitating criminals come SECOND to my concerns for the safety and well-being of my family.

[blueeydvixen]

im for the ban. i had a 10yr old friend find his dads now unbanned gun and shoot his sister while they played with it.

[cat_astrophe]

Originally Posted by blueeydvixen

im for the ban. i had a 10yr old friend find his dads now unbanned gun and shoot his sister while they played with it.

What a sad and unfortunate accident, but you must realize that the gun was not at fault. The gun was obviously not secured, and the children were not taught proper safety around guns. Even my 4 year old knows not to touch a gun without permission and supervision. The first rule I taught him was to find a grown-up if he comes accross a gun. Also, any gun, those covered by the ban or not, could have been involved in this situation.

When I was a child, a classmate of mine was killed when his friend climbed into his dad's car and disengaged the parking brake causing it to roll backwards over his friend. I am not calling for cars to be banned because of this. Children need supervision. It is the responsibility of every parent to watch their kids and teach them safety rules around potentially dangerous objects: from steak-knives to busy streets to guns to parked cars.

[turquoise]

Originally Posted by blueeydvixen

im for the ban. i had a 10yr old friend find his dads now unbanned gun and shoot his sister while they played with it.

That's really sad. Is this recent? Where did it happen? Seems like a story like this would be in the paper coast to coast and around the world quicker than you could say "Donald Trump wears a rug".

I'm verry sorry for your loss, but the ban would not have prevented this accident. I hope you can see that they should not have been playing with a loaded gun to begin with. Where were the parents? Why wasn't the gun in a locked safe where it belongs? Why was it loaded?

If this story is true, the child died because some extreemly irresponsible gun owner didn't lock up their gun and he let the kids play with it. The ban couldn't have done anything to stop it - only a responsible owner and a good safe could have changed the outcome.

Again, sorry for your loss.

[cumulus]

In most crime movies and TV dramas when the fleeing criminal grabs an innocent woman or child and points a gun to their head and demands that the good guy chasing him drop his weapon, the good guy does. The good guy, to prevent the death or injury of an innocent human being, drops his weapon. When innocent American children are dying from guns, it's time to drop your weapons.

"The test of the morality of a society is what it does for its children." ~ Dietrich Bonhoeffer

[cat_astrophe]

Originally Posted by cumulus

In most crime movies and TV dramas when the fleeing criminal grabs an innocent woman or child and points a gun to their head and demands that the good guy chasing him drop his weapon, the good guy does. The good guy, to prevent the death or injury of an innocent human being, drops his weapon. When innocent American children are dying from guns, it's time to drop your weapons.

"The test of the morality of a society is what it does for its children." ~ Dietrich Bonhoeffer

Umm, the "bad guys" in movies are not real, and the real bad guys won't drop their guns and spare you if you ban weapons. The real bad guys won't leave you alone if you just explain to them your philosophy of non-violence. There really is no honor among thieves. Taking away MY guns won't make you any safer.

[hotmamacita]

Originally Posted by nuttinhny

My firearms have never been used in a violent way while in my possesion, nor will they ever be. I use my guns to shoot skeet, shoot targets, for competition shooting, which by the way is skeet and targets. Competition shooting is a very recognized sport.
Can you explain to me how shooting targets, skeet etc, in a competition is violent?

Wow. Lookie there. We have something in common. I used to shoot skeet also and was excellent at it. I absolutely loved it b/c I was so good at it. It runs in my family. In fact, one of my grandfathers was the national champ years ago.

All that said, I still support very strict controls of gun ownership, if at all. Hence, I support the assault weapons ban and think stricter policies should be in place and enforced. I have a whole lot more to say on the subject but I neither have the energy or the time to discuss it here.

Peace,