DaryLLL, OT, but where do the "facts" show the Exodus did or did not happen? Where do the "facts" show the conquering of the Canaanite tribes did or did not happen?
Have been reading about and hearing about that for many years. Wondering about why one of the few written records of the time is generally discounted, when written records of all sorts of other things are generally counted. Never understood that.
But back OT, yes, candiland, have made liberal use of Imaginary Tylenol lately (nursing too much to take the real stuff much).
Will state plain that I do not find bris to be simple at all. As my rebbe would sometimes say, it's not easy to be a Jew. And a bris milah is by far ... by a factor of infinite proportions ... the hardest mitzvah to live with.
I don't believe bris is pain-free at all. And am not sure that anyone ever says it is. At the same time, it is light-years easier on the baby than RIC would ever be. My boys were also calm during and after the bris, and they were also alert, the crying was literally a brief fussing, as opposed to out-and-out cries, and they each nursed well and seemed to be paying attention to all the tumult surrounding them. No clamps, obviously. My first son was on a pillow in his grandfather's arms during the bris, and my second son was on a pillow in his father's arms during the bris. Immediately after the bris they were held directly in the sandak's arms (first the grandfather, with the second my DH) and loved and soothed while they were named ... each whisked to me and nursed.
And in each case I was a wreck the whole day, because it is the hardest mitzvah, bar none. And there is no "ignoring mothering instincts," or any of that crap going on at all. There is deep faith that it should be done, and done in this manner. And there is constant striving (in my community, and in others, anyway) to keep the proceedings and the entire energy of it at as deep a spiritual level as possible. It is *not* a "circumcision party." It is a veneration of 'kabbalat ol malkhut shamayim,' acceptance of the yoke of heaven.
It's not easy to be a Jew. Nothing worthwhile ever is.
This whole post is *not* pro-circ. Not in any way, shape, or form. And candiland, you can't tell your friends to have a brit milah. A brit milah is a religious Jewish ceremony, of which the actual circumcision is a small part. If your friends want to hire a mohel to do it, well, that's their business. But you really should just be talking them out of circumcising, instead of suggesting who to hire. There is no reason for RIC, no matter who is doing it.