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Originally Posted by chow46
Acksiom, I understand that. The problem is, if he's a grown man and this does not bother him, along with all the education and so on, what can be done?
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All what education? So far, I haven't seen any indications that he knows what even the
potential consequences are, let alone the
inevitable ones.
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Personally, I think he should run the other way, and that she's out of line. But, this is not a child without a choice, this is a grown man willing.
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If he's misinformed, a grown man willing is still being victimized, just as misinformed parents and their children are, and he's just as fundamentally deserving of preventative efforts to intervene as they are.
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*I* understand what is at stake, but what is the solution to the problem (besides getting angry)? Any advice?  |
Since from reports she appears completely unwilling to listen to advice, he is the one I would approach instead.
And Lilli87 is
very wise and perceptive to be aware of the potential for resentment involved here. Marriage ultimatums like this are
extremely bad ideas, carrying a severe risk of poisoning the partnership from the start. I would point this out to him in no uncertain terms. Because if he thinks the behavior's going to stop there, he's deluding himself badly and setting himself up for serious problems later on. He absolutely, positively
cannot rely upon it being 'just this one thing, and never again'. That's an issue completely unrelated to the routine and ritual genital amputation question, and one about which she is very correct to be concerned.
I would also inform him as completely as possible of the inevitable ruination of his sexual functioning. Somebody elsewhere just recently reminded me of an intact doctor's report of his personal attempt at evaluating the consequences of routine and ritual male genital ampuation through the specifically targeted medical numbing of his foreskin. I'd tell this guy he should try that first before undergoing a permanent sexually amputative surgery with a shockingly high rate of not only complications, but serious dissatisfaction with the results as well, by those who had been
eager to have it done.
Oh, and BTW -- no, men who report 'improved' sexuality following their prepucectomies as adults are
not a reliable guide. Even the reports of those who are not clearly fetishist propagandists should be viewed dubiously, because of
(A) the empirical, objective facts of the inevitable harms involved, and
(B) the near-universal agreement among men who have nonsurgically restored their foreskins as to the significant increases to their sexual functioning -- a group which
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includes some men genitally amputated as adults, and who later restored, and report dramatic increases, but
(B2) has
virtually no men whatsoever who have restored and report no changes, let alone detrimental ones.
If a woman said that having her clitoral hood and inner labia amputated, and about an inch-long's width of her vaginal skin stripped out, circumferentially, from the front inward, and the edges of that wound clamped against each other to permanently seal them together, had had a
positive effect on her sexual functioning, would you take her report at face value and consider it even remotely potentially accurate and objective?
I'd like to think not. I for one would believe that she had some serious body dismorphia psychological issues, and that the people in the medical industry who had performed the procedures had severely abused her, professionally speaking.
As a rule, men who have their foreskins amputated as adults because they
want to have it done usually report that it was all for the best sexually and improved their functioning in that regard, while men who have their foreskins amputated as adults because they
need (or have been convinced so) to have it done, as a medically 'curative' measure, usually report that it was
not for the best sexually, and severely
harmed their functioning in that regard.
When all that is combined with the almost universal characteristics of reports from men who have nonsurgically restored their foreskins, it becomes pretty obvious that anecdotal claims of sexual improvement following adult prepucectomy are only indicative of the personal psychological issues of such claimants, and are subjective, non-empirical, and most of thoroughly unreliable observations, and thus should be excluded from any decision-making.
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