Would you........

[lilgsmommy]

adopt a baby boy even if he had been circed?

let your daughters marry men who are circed?

let your 12 yr old make the decision to get circed?

not promote someone (if you were the boss) because they circed their child?

be a surrogate mom for someone whom you knew would circ the child if it was a boy?


These are questions from a pregnant friend of mine, while she is debating on what to do with her son when he is born, and she didnt know where to ask. These arent debate questions, or flame me questions but just honest questions she had. Thanks.

[Piratemomma]

adopt a baby boy even if he had been circed? Of course I would.
let your daughters marry men who are circed? Yep

let your 12 yr old make the decision to get circed? Not without a legitimate health concern.
not promote someone (if you were the boss) because they circed their child? Not sure....

be a surrogate mom for someone whom you knew would circ the child if it was a boy? Again not sure......

I admit some of these questions seem like there is an agenda behind it I should know before answering though.

[laidbackmomto2]

Originally Posted by lilgsmommy

adopt a baby boy even if he had been circed?

Yes

let your daughters marry men who are circed?

Yes

let your 12 yr old make the decision to get circed?

No

not promote someone (if you were the boss) because they circed their child?

No

be a surrogate mom for someone whom you knew would circ the child if it was a boy?

No


There are my honest answers.

Cindy

Lindsey (96/02/26)
Jason (00/06/08)

[cottonwood]

I have a hard time understanding why these questions have any relevance to the decision to circ or not, because for me the only thing to know is that I do not have the right to permanently remove a healthy, functioning part of my child's body without his consent. That said, I absolutely would not discriminate against someone for being circed (what a weird concept) or against someone for having circed their children. I would not do anything that would make me party to it in some way, though, as I feel I would be if I gave a child to someone who was planning it, or if I were to hire a doctor who does circs. And why on earth would a 12-yr-old want to be circed if there was not a compelling medical reason for it? All I can think of is social pressure, and I'll tell you, I don't intend for my children to be in an environment in which they are subjected to that in the first place. That's not really answering the question, I realize. So speaking hypothetically, if my child were experiencing social pressure to be circed, no I would not allow it, any more than I would allow him to do drugs at the age because of social pressure.

[AngelBee]

Adopt circ baby......ABSOLUTELY! (Not his fault)

Allow daughter to marry circ.......not my choice (would inform her so that she can make better choices for her son)

Allow 12yr to get circ...no, he can do it when he is 18 if he chooses (unless medical)

Promote someone.....yes, everyone does something that I don't agree with. I would educate them as to why they should rethink their position.

I would only be a surrogate to people very close to me whom I believe would agree with my beliefs on circ.

Hope that helps!

[nikirj]

I'm pretty...confused...about what this has to do with her decision.

Anyway...

Yes, I'd adopt a child who had been circumcised. I'd adopt a child that had been abused, it is the same thing.

Yes, of course I'd let my child marry a circumcised man. Sheesh. I'd let my daughter marry any man or woman who wasn't abusing her. Not that it is my choice or anything.

No, I wouldn't let my 12 year old decide to be circed. From what I understand this desire would be extraordinarily rare, especially considering that more and more men are intact. Plus our families have a history of staying intact, so I doubt that there will be any desire whatsoever towards circumcision. What 12 year old asks anyway? Jeez!

Employees - this is sticky because I intend to become a midwife. I wouldn't hire someone who would abuse a child this way, because it totally contradicts my philosophies. It would be a different answer if I were running an office or something.

I would not be a surrogate mother for someone planning to circumcise. I see circumcision as child abuse, and I wouldn't be a surrogate for anyone that I thought would abuse a child.

[lilgsmommy]

She doesnt want to circ but DH and both families are pressuring her to circ. The reason behind her questions (her answers) are:

If so many people dont believe in circ and are stopping friendships and losing family members of it would it be different if an adopted child was already circed?

Her parents refused to ler her date a man before that hadnt been circed and she was wondering if the other end of the spectrum was the same.

A friend of ours just recentley (2 weeks ago) agreed to ler her 12 yr old get circed because he was being teased and made fun of in jr high school because he was intact. The mom doesnt approve of it but believed he was old enough to make the right decision.

She said this question again kinda falls in to the first one, and was wondering if even if this woman or man was the best employee for the job if thier decision to circ would impact job relations and promotions. Plus when she gets back to work she is up for a job promotion and her boss asked her what her circ plans were during her baby shower.

She said the surrogate question was from something her MIL said in regards to allowing someone to make the choices for thier child whether they give birth or a surrogate does for them. She said she will have to ask her MIL what she meant by that later.


She said sorry if she was confussing anyone but she just didnt get a few things with everyone telling her one thing or another.

[Quirky]

Your friend is asking weird questions....what on earth do these questions have to do with whether or not she circs her baby (which she absolutely should not do)?

It's all about choice - who's choice is it? It should be the baby's -- when he's an adult and can make an informed decision!

Would I adopt a circed boy - of course - he's a victim of someone else's bad choice!

Would I let my dds marry circed men - of course - their choice as adults! (and presumably not their prospective mates' choices to be circed as babies - again, bad choices by someone else)

Let my 12 year old circ - of course not - he's not old enough to make an informed choice. After age 18, it's his body and his life.

Not promote someone - no, because although I think they made a bad choice it's not a choice relevant to their work qualifications, and I shouldn't discriminate against someone for their non-work-related bad choices.

Be a surrogate for a circing parent -- absolutely not. It's my choice to be a surrogate and ITA with the PP who said circ is child abuse and I would not gestate a child only to give him away into an abuse situation.

[lilgsmommy]

She said these questions have nothing to do really with her decision they more along the lines of random thoughts and wonderings she had in regards to issues.

[Acksiom]

Originally Posted by lilgsmommy

adopt a baby boy even if he had been circed?

Of course.

Originally Posted by lilgsmommy

let your daughters marry men who are circed?

Of course.

Originally Posted by lilgsmommy

let your 12 yr old make the decision to get circed?

HELL no.

Originally Posted by lilgsmommy

not promote someone (if you were the boss) because they circed their child?

No. Most parents have virtually no idea what the practice involves, and many are deceived and pressured into allowing it to be done, despite their good common sense.

Originally Posted by lilgsmommy

be a surrogate mom for someone whom you knew would circ the child if it was a boy?

HELL no.

Originally Posted by lilgsmommy

These are questions from a pregnant friend of mine, while she is debating on what to do with her son when he is born, and she didnt know where to ask. These arent debate questions, or flame me questions but just honest questions she had. Thanks.

YW. If you would be so kind, I'd appreciate it if you'd tell her that I was wondering about the following:

Would she adopt a baby girl even if the child had had her clitoral hood and inner labia amputated, and about an inch-long's width of her vaginal skin stripped out, circumferentially, from the front inward, and the edges of that wound clamped against each other to permanently seal them together?

Would she let her son marry a woman who had had had her clitoral hood and inner labia amputated, and about an inch-long's width of her vaginal skin stripped out, circumferentially, from the front inward, and the edges of that wound clamped against each other to permanently seal them together?

Would she allow her 12 year old daughter to make the decision to have her own clitoral hood and inner labia amputated, and about an inch-long's width of her vaginal skin stripped out, circumferentially, from the front inward, and the edges of that wound clamped against each other to permanently seal them together?

Would she not promote someone (if she were the boss) because they had their daughter's clitoral hood and inner labia amputated, and about an inch-long's width of her vaginal skin stripped out, circumferentially, from the front inward, and the edges of that wound clamped against each other to permanently seal them together?

Would she be a surrogate mom for someone whom she knew would have the child's clitoral hood and inner labia amputated, and about an inch-long's width of the child's vaginal skin stripped out, circumferentially, from the front inward, and the edges of that wound clamped against each other to permanently seal them together if it was a girl?

And does she understand that what is repetitively described above is, to the best of our knowledge, the closest comparison where little girls are concerned to the consequences of routine and ritual genital amputation for little boys?

I'm not trying to debate or flame her either. I just seriously doubt that anyone (apart from possibly you) was ever going to point this out to her, and if she's trying to get informed on this as a responsible parent should, she deserves and needs to be made aware all the facts, no matter how ugly and horrific and shocking the worst ones may be.

[AllyRae]

adopt a baby boy even if he had been circed?
Yep, not his fault

let your daughters marry men who are circed?
Yep, not my choice

let your 12 yr old make the decision to get circed?
Nope....but once he's 18, he wouldn't need my consent for the surgery and can do what he wants.

not promote someone (if you were the boss) because they circed their child?
Nope, that's probably illegal

be a surrogate mom for someone whom you knew would circ the child if it was a boy?
No, but acting as a surrogate is against my religious beliefs

[A&A]

Originally Posted by lilgsmommy

adopt a baby boy even if he had been circed?

let your daughters marry men who are circed?

let your 12 yr old make the decision to get circed?

not promote someone (if you were the boss) because they circed their child?

be a surrogate mom for someone whom you knew would circ the child if it was a boy?

Adopt:
yes

Let my daughter get married : Whom she marries is not up to me!

Let 12 year old get circ'd: no, neither my boy nor my girl!

promotions based on how well he/she does the job.

definitely NOT be a surrogate for anyone who would circ.

[My2Matthews]

adopt a baby boy even if he had been circed?

Yes.

let your daughters marry men who are circed?

I doubt I would even be privy to that information!

let your 12 yr old make the decision to get circed?

Certainly not. 12 is too young to make a permanent decision like that.

not promote someone (if you were the boss) because they circed their child?

If they had all the info at the time and STILL chose to circ, I probably wouldn't. Just being honest here, because I don't have respect or tolerance for people like that.

be a surrogate mom for someone whom you knew would circ the child if it was a boy?

Absolutely, 100%, NO. Never. I've actually thought about this. If I were ever a surrogate mom, or adopted out my child (which I never would), I would have lawyers and contracts and whatever I could involved to ensure the child was NOT circ'd. If that wasn't possible, then I would not be a surrogate mother.

[Teresa]

adopt a baby boy even if he had been circed?
YES, but changing his diapers and seeing his damaged penis would be very hard and sad

let your daughters marry men who are circed?
YES, I'm hopefully raising her to be the kind of person who could love another despite their not being intact. I would feel sad for them and hope that she protected my grandchildren

let your 12 yr old make the decision to get circed?
NO, but then I wouldn't let him/her drink alcohol at that age, either. When do kids become sexually active these days, anyhow?

not promote someone (if you were the boss) because they circed their child?
Well, female circumcision is illegal, so I'd feel compelled to report it, but male circumcison is not illegal. Yet.

be a surrogate mom for someone whom you knew would circ the child if it was a boy?
NO

[Frankly Speaking]

About the only thing I don't agree with everyone else about is the employee question. If I had an employee who had circumcised their son (or daughter in some cases) prior to their employment with me, it would have no effect. However, if they had been pregnant during their employment with me, they would have recieved a lot of information about circumcision from me. Not only would they not receive promotions, they would be released from employment with my company. I didn't get where I did by employing stupid people and since Georgia is a Right To Work state, I can legally fire them for any reason or no reason at all.




Frank

[boingo82]

Originally Posted by lilgsmommy

adopt a baby boy even if he had been circed?

Of course. He has already been abused, it would be cruel of me to deny him a home because of that.

Originally Posted by lilgsmommy

let your daughters marry men who are circed?

I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't. My DH is circ'd. WHY on earth would I tell my daughter she couldn't see someone who had been genitally mutilated through no fault of their own?

Originally Posted by lilgsmommy

let your 12 yr old make the decision to get circed?

No. Let me put it this way.... he has not yet had occasion ( I HOPE) to test out the equipment and is NO WHERE NEAR mature enough to make that kind of decision. He could get circ'd when he is 18, same as with tattoos and genital piercings and what-all else.
BESIDES...if the kids aren't teasing about the foreskin they'll tease about something else. Kids don't tease because of PHYSICAL characteristics...they tease because some kids are just "teaseable" and others will take advantage. All the cosmetic surgery in the world won't fix a teaseable kid.

Originally Posted by lilgsmommy

not promote someone (if you were the boss) because they circed their child?

Besides the fact that I'm pretty sure that's not legal, I would assume it was because of ignorance (not idiocy, but uninformed-ness) esp. in my state. I would try and educate them though.

Originally Posted by lilgsmommy

be a surrogate mom for someone whom you knew would circ the child if it was a boy?

HELL NO. You think I would spend 9 months making a perfect little child only to have part of his PRIVATES whacked off? Fat chance! I would not make a person whom I KNEW I was handing over to be abused.

Originally Posted by lilgsmommy

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A friend of ours just recentley (2 weeks ago) agreed to ler her 12 yr old get circed because he was being teased and made fun of in jr high school because he was intact. The mom doesnt approve of it but believed he was old enough to make the right decision.
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That is ridiculous. I hope they let their 12 year old daughter get implants and a nose-job when SHE feels self-consious. :

[A&A]

Originally Posted by Frankly Speaking

since Georgia is a Right To Work state, I can legally fire them for any reason or no reason at all.

Frank

Sounds like a "Right to Fire Your Employees" state rather than a "Right to Work" state. I love doublespeak. Thank god for my union.

[mattemma04]

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adopt a baby boy even if he had been circed?>>>>>

Yes,and I would encourage the child to sue when older.

let your daughters marry men who are circed?>>>>

Yes,but I would encourage my daughter to marry a man who is AGAINST circumcision and have that in writing(and to fully discuss other parenting issues).

I would also encourage her to avoid relationships with men who are in circumcising religions,becasue the pressure to cut is intense and life long.Not worth the hassle- I know.


let your 12 yr old make the decision to get circed?

No. I feel very sad for the boy who mutilated himself because teens were teasing him.Is the teasing all gone now for him now that he is missing parts like the other boys? I doubt it.He is probably teased even more for being stupid enough to remove important parts from his penis.


not promote someone (if you were the boss) because they circed their child? No,unless I was runnig a business that was clearly against circ(mw,doula)

be a surrogate mom for someone whom you knew would circ the child if it was a boy?
No.I would not birth for someone that circed or vaccinated.

[Frankly Speaking]

Originally Posted by A&A

Sounds like a "Right to Fire Your Employees" state rather than a "Right to Work" state. I love doublespeak. Thank god for my union.

I've always wondered how it got that title because it seems to be the exact opposite of what it implies. I've wondered if it's deliberately deceptive to make employees feel the legislature has done something positive while catering to business interests. Many people have been fired from their jobs for really bad reasons and because of this law, they have no legal recourse.



Frank

[be11ydancer]

adopt a baby boy even if he had been circed? Yes.

let your daughters marry men who are circed? Yes.

let your 12 yr old make the decision to get circed? No. I would really want him to wait until he was 18 or so to make the decision.

not promote someone (if you were the boss) because they circed their child? That's a tough question. I think it would be strikes against them for sure.

be a surrogate mom for someone whom you knew would circ the child if it was a boy? No. That would be a condition of mine for agreeing to be a surrogate mom - no circing!